Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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MrPerfectNot said:
I think that's the wrong question.

I think the question is: Who can the Democrats nominate that can unify enough of the political left and center to offset what I see will be the Trump coalition in 2020? I think there are easily enough votes and electoral college votes to defeat Trump, if they will come together to do so.

The Trump coalition that I see consists of die-hard Trump supporters and Republicans who see benefits from his actions as President even if they have to hold their noses to vote for him. Some of those actions are his appointment of judges and probably one or two more Supreme Court Justices, his hands-off approach to the decimation of professionalism in executive agencies and his reduction of the US's role in the world, commensurate with an isolationist approach to the world.

I am not sure I see a Democrat nationally visible at the moment to make that happen. Kamala Harris appears to be very bright and attractive as a candidate, but can she build a national awareness that's sufficient to win the electoral college? Some of those who have expressed interest, such as Julian Castro, Eric Garcetti, Martin O'Malley and Joe Biden all are potentially interesting but have to work very hard to build a profile or to change their existing profile to have a chance, I think. Any of these candidates will have to win over several constituent groups to have a chance to beat the Trump coalition I described above.

Remeber, it's the electoral college that has to be won.
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What you mentioned isn’t a coalition though, it’s just the Republican base. Trump won’t get any more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. He’ll get (almost) all of the same votes, but it’s not like he will have talked around a bunch of new voters.

As I said, if the activism on the left is still as strong when the general rolls around, the increased youth and minority voting numbers SHOULD be enough to carry.

In terms of who to nominate, my heart says Biden just because I really like him, but my head says maybe a younger face is a better long term proposition to provide a contrast with a then 74 year old Trump.

Booker would probably be a good bet, but given the opposition, so long as they don’t nominate Joe Manchin, I don’t think they’ll have too much trouble turning out the vote.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
What you mentioned isn’t a coalition though, it’s just the Republican base. Trump won’t get any more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. He’ll get (almost) all of the same votes, but it’s not like he will have talked around a bunch of new voters.

As I said, if the activism on the left is still as strong when the general rolls around, the increased youth and minority voting numbers SHOULD be enough to carry.

In terms of who to nominate, my heart says Biden just because I really like him, but my head says maybe a younger face is a better long term proposition to provide a contrast with a then 74 year old Trump.

Booker would probably be a good bet, but given the opposition, so long as they don’t nominate Joe Manchin, I don’t think they’ll have too much trouble turning out the vote.
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I appreciate this is what many of them are going around saying, but if "the left" is aiming to sweep the youth and minority vote whilst leaving all Trump's support is in place then they will deserve the defeat they will get. They would have learned nothing from 2016, except to double-down on a strategy that is both idiotic and incredibly dangerous.

The 2020 candidate has to be one who points out that the system isn't working for almost everyone, with no sacred cows and taking aim at healthcare, welfare, education, immigration, gun rights, economics, foreign policy and everything else that has gone wrong. Only that candidate will be able to get enough support from everywhere to smash Trump and his chums and have a serious chance at putting the country back on the right track.

Cory Booker, at least on his career to date, is not that candidate.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
What you mentioned isn’t a coalition though, it’s just the Republican base. Trump won’t get any more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. He’ll get (almost) all of the same votes, but it’s not like he will have talked around a bunch of new voters.

As I said, if the activism on the left is still as strong when the general rolls around, the increased youth and minority voting numbers SHOULD be enough to carry.

In terms of who to nominate, my heart says Biden just because I really like him, but my head says maybe a younger face is a better long term proposition to provide a contrast with a then 74 year old Trump.

Booker would probably be a good bet, but given the opposition, so long as they don’t nominate Joe Manchin, I don’t think they’ll have too much trouble turning out the vote.
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FWIW, it's not the traditional Republican base, but that's a whole 'nuther Oprah.....

Saying that these Democratic groups "should be enough to carry" is the kind of complacency that worries me in 2020. There are, I think, Democrats who could successfully rally enough of these different constituencies to be victorious in 2020, but doing that requires them to be doing that work now. I'm not an insider in the Democratic party (much more of a phone caller, caucus goer and door knocker), so I don't know what bridge building is going on there, but I hope it's happening.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
FWIW, it's not the traditional Republican base, but that's a whole 'nuther Oprah.....

Saying that these Democratic groups "should be enough to carry" is the kind of complacency that worries me in 2020. There are, I think, Democrats who could successfully rally enough of these different constituencies to be victorious in 2020, but doing that requires them to be doing that work now. I'm not an insider in the Democratic party (much more of a phone caller, caucus goer and door knocker), so I don't know what bridge building is going on there, but I hope it's happening.
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What do you two think are winning themes for 2020 (for the Ds)?
 
Pettifogger said:
What do you two think are winning themes for 2020 (for the Ds)?
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Trying to stay at fewer than 5000 words and less than 3 minutes to type:
- Rebuild multi-lateral international relationships in economic, diplomatic and crisis management
- Healthcare - develop more affordable options that still maintain quality coverage, I'm for universal coverage but that won't be part of a winning message, much stronger mental healthcare across the board
- Economy - need more time to think of how to articulate this
- Shootings / gun control - strong background checks, remove Dickey amendment on spending/research, no reciprocity for concealed carry, no arming teachers,
- Lots of other things.

Back at you, @Pettifogger , what are winning themes for Dems in your mind?
 
Looks like they have thankfully caught the guy who sent white powder to Trump Jnr.
https://www.popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FriselloComplaint-1.pdf

They seem to have caught him because he sent a glitter bomb letter with note to a professor, described it on his personally labeled twitter feed (and paid for by credit card) and then followed it up with a letter containing white powder with the exact same wording to that professor!
 
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