Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Pettifogger said:
Bashing the tax cuts over the potential deficit hit when liberals haven't cared about the deficit spending in a long time. There is a real discussion to be had about tax cuts and spending (and the resulting impact), but it's rare that the discussion actually happens. I'd compare it to folks who spend considerable effort bashing the religious right trying to use principles of Christianity against Trump supporters.
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So-called conservatives havne't cared about the deficit spending either, to be fair
 
Pettifogger said:
Bashing the tax cuts over the potential deficit hit when liberals haven't cared about the deficit spending in a long time. There is a real discussion to be had about tax cuts and spending (and the resulting impact), but it's rare that the discussion actually happens. I'd compare it to folks who spend considerable effort bashing the religious right trying to use principles of Christianity against Trump supporters.
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I wasn't bashing it because of the deficit increase, rather I was bashing conservatives for going against what they supposedly believe...including their supporters.

I noticed you didn't address the removal of the individual mandate. I also noticed you didn't address the inclusion of language that will be used to challenge Roe v Wade.

I also noticed that you are fine with Trump including at the last minute a massive benefit for him and his family as real estate developers. I also forgot to mention the massive benefit the Trump family will receive from the estate tax change.
 
steveojcc said:
Your party spent 8 years not wanting to deal with Obama. Ignoring his requests. Batting back his proposals and refusing to sit down and talk with him. When they did sit down and listen to him sorry i mean sit for the cameras with him They were never interested in what he had to say.

I hear the GOP voters say this all of the time about liberals but it is untrue.

The democrats are doing now the exact same thing as the GOP did with Obama and you people on the right can't handle it.

Not that it would matter because the 3 instances of the democrats wanting to work with the GOP since Trump took office were ignored. Healthcare and taxes they were open to sitting down but were ignored as well their votes were not needed.

Then Trump had the audacity to claim things fail because the democrats would not play ball. They didn't need to. Your lot controls everything and still struggle.

Even with the whole DACA thing. Finally they both sit down and come to an agreement on something and Trump acts like a child and throws it in both parties faces and disagrees even after saying he would sign anything they brought him collectively.

The GOP is the party with the real issues. Talk about divided.

But sure be like fox new and continue to blame the democrats for everything.
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You keep responding to arguments I'm not making. I think you might be more partisan than me, and I can get pretty partisan.

What overtures did Obama make? Cutting taxes or spending? Give me a break, we know there was no viable path for either. And, honestly, why would there be? Obama is a social democrat at heart, and we're not. Same with the ACA. He called us in a room, but when our ideology is "no government control over healthcare" and his is "I want to put government in control of healthcare" - what was the result really going to be?

I'm not talking about decision makers working out a deal on the economy, I'm talking about you and I (or others) discussing it.

I'm happy to blame Republicans and Trump for a lot. But what good is it when you seem to think America's problems start and stop with the right?
 
Pettifogger said:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but the ideology he espouses is more welcome en masse there than here, by my estimation. So it makes sense that the UK and the continent found favor with him. But sure, I still agree he had a far more dignified, presidential presence than Trump.

But W, for his faults, was a generally polite and personable human being, and I'm guessing he wasn't admired, yeah?
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Not really mate. He was just a polite guest in our country. And didnt resort to blackmail, libel, and down right abuse when he couldnt build a golf course in Scotland to his specification.
 
Pettifogger said:
I think you're forgetting, purposefully or not, that a lot of Republicans did that. Most Republicans didn't want Trump in the primaries. Hell the GOP actively undermined him for a long time. But he won the nomination and he won the presidency. And now, at least to some extent, he's pushing their agenda. What should they do, in your opinion? If I'm a capitalist, tax cutting, pro-second amendment conservative, am I supposed to join a resistance element that hates everything I stand for?
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I dont share your political beliefs but I do respect them and I think they have been hijacked in a power grab by a section of the elite from this country and abroad. Your beliefs have been packaged and wrapped in fear and hate by Murdoch and fed back to you. You might not agree with the resistance, you might not share their politics but you should be standing shoulder to shoulder with them in calling for this loon bag and his fringe mob to be booted out of office.
 
Pettifogger said:
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but the ideology he espouses is more welcome en masse there than here, by my estimation. So it makes sense that the UK and the continent found favor with him. But sure, I still agree he had a far more dignified, presidential presence than Trump.

But W, for his faults, was a generally polite and personable human being, and I'm guessing he wasn't admired, yeah?
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You realise as many republicans that are registered to vote as there are democrats right?

The majority of the new voters are left leaning than they do to the right

Here was an article just before the election based of the PEW report from last year about registered voters. You can google pew the report is 20 pages or so.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/how-many-registered-voters-are-in-america-2016-229993

This suggests that the leftist view and progressive types are more and more common nowadays. Its exactly the reason Trump played to the heartland and the south and to their way of life.

Oh and Bush was liked by world leaders at one time probably until he allowed his administration to lie about WMD's.
 
Pettifogger said:
It's not very adult to make the absurd assumptions you keep making. I disagree with you politically. The idea that you're therefore more "adult" than me is bizarre.

I agree, I like Obama's public speaking better than Trump's. I think he presented the correct tone more often, even though I do not think it was supported in deed.
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Because to me, Trump doesn't even pass the lowest hurdle required to be fit for office. So everything he does is irrelevant. Once "the right", whatever that means, comes to terms with the fact that it's not just their agenda that's worthy of pushing (let's just call it typical conservative virtues like small gov't, low taxes, the importance of defense spending, etc) but that the face of that agenda is equally as important for the good of the people, without pandering to the far right (such as xenophobia, fear mongering, etc), then we can begin to move forward. Becuase right now, the far right cretins are making everyone with any shred of conservative values look bad. It's really that simple.

I just cannot get over the fact Trump is such a loudmouthed, ignorant, lying buffoon, and doesn't have one shred of shame about any of it.
 
Ruairi77 said:
I dont share your political beliefs but I do respect them and I think they have been hijacked in a power grab by a section of the elite from this country and abroad. Your beliefs have been packaged and wrapped in fear and hate by Murdoch and fed back to you. You might not agree with the resistance, you might not share their politics but you should be standing shoulder to shoulder with them in calling for this loon bag and his fringe mob to be booted out of office.
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Pettifogger said:
You keep responding to arguments I'm not making. I think you might be more partisan than me, and I can get pretty partisan.

What overtures did Obama make? Cutting taxes or spending? Give me a break, we know there was no viable path for either. And, honestly, why would there be? Obama is a social democrat at heart, and we're not. Same with the ACA. He called us in a room, but when our ideology is "no government control over healthcare" and his is "I want to put government in control of healthcare" - what was the result really going to be?

I'm not talking about decision makers working out a deal on the economy, I'm talking about you and I (or others) discussing it.

I'm happy to blame Republicans and Trump for a lot. But what good is it when you seem to think America's problems start and stop with the right?
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Nope pretty sure i operate on common sense and logic. I am not registered with either party seen as i only hold a passport recently. Again with the assumptions.

I am quite happy to bash the democrats if need be and have done.

But i would say right now i would not vote for anyone on the right because they are not the same party as they were before and they are allowing extremists to dictate.

Thus allowing the idiot in charge to thrive and control their party.

Having lived here for the years i have and lived amongst a healthy bunch of lefty's and righty's i feel i have a gauge on where things stand and who i might vote for.

But honestly when i see the BS the right have pulled as of late it does not install me with confidence.

But i do have progressive views also so i would only vote for those i think are with it and have proper platforms and not just those to simply toe the line like Darrel Issa. Look him up if you don't know who he is. Absolute cretin.
 
ilikecheese said:
I wasn't bashing it because of the deficit increase, rather I was bashing conservatives for going against what they supposedly believe...including their supporters.

I noticed you didn't address the removal of the individual mandate. I also noticed you didn't address the inclusion of language that will be used to challenge Roe v Wade.

I also noticed that you are fine with Trump including at the last minute a massive benefit for him and his family as real estate developers. I also forgot to mention the massive benefit the Trump family will receive from the estate tax change.
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1) I hate the ACA, so I'm against the individual mandate.
2) I'm anti-abortion, but I don't think Roe is at risk.
3) I'm against the estate tax.
 
Ruairi77 said:
I dont share your political beliefs but I do respect them and I think they have been hijacked in a power grab by a section of the elite from this country and abroad. Your beliefs have been packaged and wrapped in fear and hate by Murdoch and fed back to you. You might not agree with the resistance, you might not share their politics but you should be standing shoulder to shoulder with them in calling for this loon bag and his fringe mob to be booted out of office.
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The idea that I'm some Fox News regurgitating Trump admirer is amusing to me.

And I'll never stand shoulder to shoulder with folks who I think wish to fundamentally undermine my ideology or way of life, as the so-called resistance does. Even if your contention is Trump is also in that category, I'm not trading one evil for another.
 
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