Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[DanEFC92]

Something wrong with that man’s brain.

 

[dholliday]

You're a smart fellow so it's difficult to see how you can be so taken in by things.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/ - nearly 70% of all Trump said was at the very least 'partly false'. This compares to 26% for Clinton.

A report on the Brexit debate found a similarly poor grasp of facts - https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/leave-remain-the-facts-behind-the-claims.pdf

That's before we get onto the frankly appalling whoppers told in places like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, especially around Muslims.

The older I get the more inclined I am to think politics is less about right vs left and more about being good in government and being awful. The Tories are awful, Trump is awful, and such disregard for reality does little to help matters, and when it's deliberate disregard for reality that's no better than propaganda.

You're mostly correct in what you say here, except that the Tories are not awful. You think they are, but half the country does not (or rather a third). There's no true option here, it's a matter of opinion whether they're awful or not.

You're also off in the bit where you say I'm 'taken in' by my belief that both sides are constantly at it. They are, and you've just shown an analysis which further proves this, albeit where one side (Trump vs Clinton) is significantly at it more.

Another important consideration is just because a website has the word fact in it, doesn't make it the absolute authority on facts, or rather it doesn't mean those sites will not present their fact-checkings to back up a narrative.

Both sites have generally a good rep, to be fair: but it's useful to be aware that Fullfacts have been known to delete contradictory posts, are founded by a wealthy Tory Party donor known for his affiliation with pro-EU thinktanks, and have managed to gain charity status (after previous failed attempts) to supplement their expensive HQ in SW1.

Politifacts have a reputation to favour the Left in their judgements, but how do they come to these judgements? An analysis of their ratings ("mostly false/mostly true" etc) reveals a sometimes-selective interpretation of figurative language, meaning Tim Kaine saying essentially the same thing as Mike Pence may get a better 'truth' rating.

Of course, the ones being most critical of these fact sites are the ones feeling most aggrieved on being on the losing side of the 'factometer', they have their own agenda too.

Personally I've found by not taking sides I'm more able to read between the lines. On balance regarding lies & distortions: I'd say the Left are more devious and the Right more brazen. The more brazen method is the more obvious one (the one more liable to fail the truthometer check).

 

[dholliday]

@DanEFC92 @ilikecheese Interesting Milo Yiannopoulos interview, where he fully agrees with The Guardian's favourite ultra-left commentator Owen Jones, and where he also confirms he has not just nothing to do with the alt-right, but he actively dislikes them.



I find this interesting because, as I said in an earlier post, Milo among others is the likely future of popular politics, and if he's able to straddle the line between the Left & Right then that's a positive thing in my book.

 

[joey_macmo]

@DanEFC92 @ilikecheese Interesting Milo Yiannopoulos interview, where he fully agrees with The Guardian's favourite ultra-left commentator Owen Jones, and where he also confirms he has not just nothing to do with the alt-right, but he actively dislikes them.



I find this interesting because, as I said in an earlier post, Milo among others is the likely future of popular politics, and if he's able to straddle the line between the Left & Right then that's a positive thing in my book.

Is very telling that you think Milo is the future of politics & that he straddles left & right.

 

[joey_macmo]

As for Owen Jones being “ultra left” that’s just hilarious

 

[dholliday]

Is very telling that you think Milo is the future of politics & that he straddles left & right.

yeah does sound a bit saucy, doesn't it?

 

[joey_macmo]

yeah does sound a bit saucy, doesn't it?

Its just incorrect.

You’ve just got zero credibility when you repeatedly post about people distorting the truth when you claim people like Milo have nothing to do with the Alt right & the same with your brexit bus post on the last page.

 

[dholliday]

Its just incorrect. You’ve just got zero credibility when you repeatedly post about people distorting the truth when you claim people like Milo have nothing to do with the Alt right & the same with your brexit bus post on the last page.

Richard Spencer coined the term and is considered an unofficial 'leader', while he & Milo have some similarities: dynamic new-conservatives, they have profound differences. Spencer is part of the Identitarian movement, which oppose inter-racial relationships (a bonafide racist thing right there). Milo is married to a black man.

Milo has written (often) for Breitbart, and Breitbart is considered a a regular read for those who identify with the alt-right. Milo has even written articles specifically on the alt-right movement, yet it's a movement so young and fluid that he's well within his rights to disown it if he no longer feels a meaningful connection to it. Ben Shapiro is another one who some consider part of the alt-right movement yet he feels very little in common with Spencer or Milo.

It's interesting times for new-conservatism, with its different branches and levels of progressism (or in the case of Spencer, regressism). Alt-right has become an unhelpful label.


I'd be interested in your counter-argument why you think I'm incorrect, am distorting the truth and have zero credibility.

 

[dholliday]

Specifically back to Trump, he is very very wrong here, on two counts:



One thing Obama did well after such horrible incidents was to try to reason with the public that guns are indeed the problem. Trump is also wrong to blame mental health, this is a dangerous and unfair assumption as there are many tens of thousands of mentally-unstable people who would never hurt a fly.

The Texas shooter is/was a terrorist murderer, just a different kind of terrorist to the Islamists is all.

 

[dholliday]

In all seriousness what the hell are we witnessing.

Possibly the end of amicable US-Japan relations.

Something wrong with that man’s brain.

Didn't notice this earlier. This is a great example of yous falling for what Trump would call Fake News. Dan especially loved it! Something wrong with his brain indeed, ay?

What do yous actually think about the real news? At 0:20 Abe dumps the whole contents, a few seconds later Trumps follows his lead. Interesting especially in light of what we've been talking about these last few pages, namely the lack of balance when forming opinion about something or someone. The Guardian almost fell for it too, but amended their article and included the video in the re-edit:

This article was amended on 6 November 2017 to make clear that Shinzo Abe also emptied the contents of his container into the pond

 

[dandydan]

Trump derangement syndrome is alive and well in this thread.

 

[bol-uk]

Possibly the end of amicable US-Japan relations.

Or maybe just a grown child with no empathy and self-control try talking to people who speak different languages. How do you ask for ketchup on your steak in Japanese?

They need each other too much

 

[DanEFC92]

Didn't notice this earlier. This is a great example of yous falling for what Trump would call Fake News. Dan especially loved it! Something wrong with his brain indeed, ay?

What do yous actually think about the real news? At 0:20 Abe dumps the whole contents, a few seconds later Trumps follows his lead. Interesting especially in light of what we've been talking about these last few pages, namely the lack of balance when forming opinion about something or someone. The Guardian almost fell for it too, but amended their article and included the video in the re-edit:

Fair enough. Although it did contain rat poison...

After seeing his actual comments on the latest mass shooting I don’t feel the need to amend my comment tbh.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Didn't notice this earlier. This is a great example of yous falling for what Trump would call Fake News. Dan especially loved it! Something wrong with his brain indeed, ay?

What do yous actually think about the real news? At 0:20 Abe dumps the whole contents, a few seconds later Trumps follows his lead. Interesting especially in light of what we've been talking about these last few pages, namely the lack of balance when forming opinion about something or someone. The Guardian almost fell for it too, but amended their article and included the video in the re-edit:

#fakenewscnn

 

[SerenityNigh]

They need each other too much

A butterfly flaps its wings in Tokyo, and Trump pushes the red button reflexively after expelling a large amount of gas following his standard well done with ketchup. We're all doomed.