Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[dholliday]

 

[dholliday]

some wider context:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-formally-roll-out-tax-plan-live-updates/

choice quote:

Paul Ryan says the tax reform plan will give people "relief"
At a formal unveiling with American families standing behind lawmakers, the House speaker said that the typical family of four would save $1,182 a year on their taxes under the Republican plan.

Ryan said it would make a "real difference" and help people to pay phone bills, help pay down debt, renovate homes faster and put money away for college.

The Wisconsin Republican said that the plan would get rid of loopholes for special interests and it would make things so simple that it would allow people to do taxes on the size of a postcard.

"This plan is for the middle class families in our country who deserve a break," Ryan said.

Trump coming good on one of his campaign promises.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[verreauxi]

some wider context:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-formally-roll-out-tax-plan-live-updates/

choice quote:

At a formal unveiling with American families standing behind lawmakers, the House speaker said that the typical family of four would save $1,182 a year on their taxes under the Republican plan

Trump coming good on one of his campaign promises.

This is the equivalent of Bush buying votes with an average 500$ rebate back in early 2000s. This is an old political chewed-bone thrown out to suckers who are willing to chew on it. If a middle/lower income family is depending on a 1100$ dollar tax cut for survival, they are already screwed, and given that the tax-cut might come with the removal of healthcare, well, then they are doubly-screwed.

I could go on and on about the lack of corporate tax cuts and special-interests involved that completely overlook how and where we spend tax dollars (e.g., Trump's infatile attempts to increase our nuclear arsenal at the cost of trillions of dollars), but let's point out that you said the following: "Trump coming good on one of his campaign promises." Yet, this tax plan isn't likely to pass on the Senate floor because it can't pay for itself.

So, no, Trump hasn't made good on his completely vague campaign promises regarding taxes.

I do have a question for you: do you honestly think Trump is an bonafide ally of the middle-class working family?

 

[LinekersLegs]

WASHINGTON — Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump presidential campaign, met Russian government officials during a July 2016 trip he took to Moscow, according to testimony he gave on Thursday to the House Intelligence Committee. Shortly after the trip, Mr. Page sent an email to at least one Trump campaign aide describing insights he had after conversations with government officials, legislators and business executives during his time in Moscow, according to one person familiar with the contents of the message. The email was read aloud during the closed-door testimony.

The new details of the trip present a different picture than the account Mr. Page has given during numerous appearances in the news media in recent months and are yet another example of a Trump adviser meeting with Russians officials during the 2016 campaign. In multiple interviews with The New York Times, he had either denied meeting with any Russian government officials during the July 2016 visit or sidestepped the question, saying he met with “mostly scholars.”

 

[verreauxi]

There is a fascinating two-part series on Frontline called "Putin's Revenge" documenting the Russian meddling in the US election, and how Obama tried to deal with it (he probably treaded too carefully). They track how it goes way back to the Clinton administration. It is well worth a watch.

 

[SteveSC]

Brazile claims on twitter she was misquoted and politifact investigated her book and has an interesting take on what they read

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-said-donna-brazile-called-democratic-/

 

[SteveSC]

Given that most of the jobs are in services and healthcare i would imagine this is seasonal.

I worked in healthcare and this stretch of the year is the busiest as is retail, services and logistics due to the holiday perios

Here is the article he obviously brushed over to get the number from

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

It's great that there are jobs but unemployment has not changed much according to their statistics and nothing that they mention can be attributed to the president. It even says not much has changed from this time last year.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Some of the media have proven once again that any excuse to bash Trump will do no matter how illogical or in this case downright stupid it is. GQ have accused Trump of double standards because he called for the death penalty of the New York attacker but not the Vagas shooter.......... I mean, I don't quite know how to process the stupidity of that. Do they want him to put the corpse in the electric chair or somthing? Could it be that they're just looking for an excuse to attack Trump for the sake of it...........

After being questioned on this GQ aknowlaged their mistake and said they "regret this error", they then changed the article to "why does Trump want the death penalty for the New York attacker but not for others".

Well I mean how pethetic is that?! There's loads of reasons to question Trump (lots of them have been argued very eloquently on here) and he seems intent on adding a new one every week. However the above is a prime example of the any excuse to bash him that some lazy excuses for journalists and virtue signalling hipsters seems intent on. Such nonsanse only lowers the value of the barrage of totally justified criticism he's taking.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[ilikecheese]

It's so frustrating that 'alternative facts' are just as important as actual facts in today's world.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[mezzrow]

Some of the media have proven once again that any excuse to bash Trump will do no matter how illogical or in this case downright stupid it is. GQ have accused Trump of double standards because he called for the death penalty of the New York attacker but not the Vagas shooter.......... I mean, I don't quite know how to process the stupidity of that. Do they want him to put the corpse in the electric chair or somthing? Could it be that they're just looking for an excuse to attack Trump for the sake of it...........

After being questioned on this GQ aknowlaged their mistake and said they "regret this error", they then changed the article to "why does Trump want the death penalty for the New York attacker but not for others".

Well I mean how pethetic is that?! There's loads of reasons to question Trump (lots of them have been argued very eloquently on here) and he seems intent on adding a new one every week. However the above is a prime example of the any excuse to bash him that some lazy excuses for journalists and virtue signalling hipsters seems intent on. Such nonsanse only lowers the value of the barrage of totally justified criticism he's taking.

"...it's just this war, and that lying son of a bitch Johnson Trump."

 

[ilikecheese]

So I spent a little time on Twitter this week attempting to engage right wingers. To have a conversation. One that involved logic.

What an utter waste of my time. Folks are so unbelievably entrenched that logic is gone. Facts are ignored and rebutted with name calling.

Someone said something about vetting gun ownership. This right winger piped up with there is not vetting to drive a truck into a crowd.

I responded that he was wrong and that you have to have a driver's license to get a rental vehicle. You do get vetted to obtain a driver's license. He said I was wrong and called me a name.

I replied that by definition you are vetted for a driver's license. You have to pass an eye examination, a written examination, and a driving skills examination. By definition all three are examples of vetting.

He called me ignorant...and that getting a DL doesn't require vetting again. He then posted the definition of vetting from Google.

vet1
vet/
verb
gerund or present participle: vetting

1. make a careful and critical examination of (something).
   "proposals for vetting large takeover bids"
   synonyms: check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect, look over, screen, assess, evaluate, appraise;
   informalcheck out
   "press releases are vetted by an executive council"

I said look at the synonyms. I kept trying to say there are levels of vetting. He could only respond with insults.

So I approached him with a different angle. Guns...why not use the same non-vetting for gun ownership then? He flipped out...said he was fully behind the second amendment. Hmm. Ok. I then assumed that he was fully behind the 2nd amendment and said something about fully automatic weapons.

No no no...they aren't good. Only a fully trained and vetted person should ever have those. Hmm...well what about bump stocks then? Those are legal he said. Supports gun rights.

Ok...fair enough...but why are you so willing to step on my second amendment rights with regards to fully automatic weapons then? You are twisting my words (insert name call) he said.

Anyway it was an absurd exercise. So entrenched that the English language and it's definitions don't matter anymore.

The more I sit back and watch and listen to the right wing media (especially radio)...the more I see the right is actually becoming the Radical Right...radicalized by decades of poison about what America is...and that the left are actually evil. Trump won on that...he pandered to the Radical Right who have been mobilized. Social media and right wing media sources are a constant reminder that fanning flames of complete untruths don't even matter anymore.

I really do despair for my fellow Americans who simply have lost it...truth, logic, and actual thought is dead.

 

[ilikecheese]

TL;DR.

CliffsNotes version. I tried to engage right wingers and it was a waste of time.

America is fcked.