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Not about statues, but still relevant to the debate, I feel (incidentally, anyone else find it telling how it's sometimes difficult to decide whether to post in the Trump or Far Right thread?):

To the Guy Flying a Confederate Flag in New England

By Rev. Emily C. Heath


I saw your truck parked in front of the Rite-Aid, right by the Dunkin Donuts. Two large Confederate flags were attached to the back of it, waving in the wind. The American flag was, incongruously, in the center. And, I have to confess, I don’t get it.

Part of me wanted to ask obvious questions: You know you are in New Hampshire, right? And, you know New Hampshire was not a part of the Confederacy?

I ask this because I’m not so sure you do. Here we are in a northern town, a place that gave her sons up to the Union Army and lost them on the battlefields of the Civil War. A place where locals organized early against slavery and led the charge against it across the country. A place where 150 years ago that flag would have been seen as a symbol of treason.

I grew up in the South where I saw plenty of Confederate flags. My college campus had a small Confederate cemetery on it and every Confederate Memorial Day (do you know when that is, by the way?) they’d be decorated with those flags. And I lived in a state where that Confederate emblem was on the flag for far too long.

Some people say it’s heritage. I don’t buy it. I have Confederate soldiers for ancestors, and I’ve never felt the need to honor them by flying that flag.

I also know it wasn’t even the Confederate flag. It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. (My ancestors’ unit, by the way.) And I know that even the Daughters of the Confederacy advocated not using that flag anymore back in the 1920s. And I also know that it didn’t really make a comeback until the 1950s when a Supreme Court decision let African-American children go to school with white children.

Do you think that flag has been flying in front of the South Carolina capitol since 1865? It hasn’t. It was put there for one reason only: racist defiance in the face of integration.

I think you believe that the flag brands you as a “rebel” or somehow honors your outlook on life. It doesn’t. It brands you as a racist. You may not think you are one, but flying that flag is a racist act.

I know that right now you are saying, “But I’m not a racist!” “Heritage, not hate!” But this isn’t your heritage. It’s mine. And it is hate. And it is racism. And every time you put that flag on the back of your car, we all go back in time a little. And the past wasn’t so great for many of our neighbors.

The present isn’t so great either, by the way. Because in a time when nine African-American churchgoers were massacred at their church by a man wearing that flag, and in a week when seven black churches have been burned with little media attention, those flags tell everyone that you could care less about what is happening. Others can suffer, so long as you get to wear your flag. It’s like showing up at a funeral and dancing on the grave.

Is that the kind of man you are? One who doesn’t care who is being hurt, so long as you get to show off your flags on your truck?

You aren’t being a rebel. And you aren’t being courageous. And you won’t be on the right side of history.

But here’s the good news: it doesn’t have to end like that. You can stop flying the Confederate flag. You can honor your ancestors here in the North by learning why they were willing to give their lives to fight against that flag. And you can honor my ancestors down in the South by saying you are willing to learn from their mistakes.

Please. Our town doesn’t need those flags. And, if you look inside and find your better self, you’ll find that neither do you.
 
Come on now.

The only reason he got in is the electoral college. More people wanted somebody else for President.

And don't get so uppity there tubes, you guys voted for Brexit and not so long ago, allowed Teresa May to remain in power.
I can't even be bothered with you.

Are you a secret Trump supporter?? As you have done a fantastic job of taking this right off the topic at hand.

(that is said in jest mate......calm down!!!!)
Me thinks that Dylan doth protest too much...It's both the beauty and the failing of Democracy that half or maybe more of the people will be P'd off at the result.
In the end you get (rightly or wrongly) One President for one country.
Churchill — 'Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.'
 
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Not about statues, but still relevant to the debate, I feel (incidentally, anyone else find it telling how it's sometimes difficult to decide whether to post in the Trump or Far Right thread?):

To the Guy Flying a Confederate Flag in New England

By Rev. Emily C. Heath


I saw your truck parked in front of the Rite-Aid, right by the Dunkin Donuts. Two large Confederate flags were attached to the back of it, waving in the wind. The American flag was, incongruously, in the center. And, I have to confess, I don’t get it.

Part of me wanted to ask obvious questions: You know you are in New Hampshire, right? And, you know New Hampshire was not a part of the Confederacy?

I ask this because I’m not so sure you do. Here we are in a northern town, a place that gave her sons up to the Union Army and lost them on the battlefields of the Civil War. A place where locals organized early against slavery and led the charge against it across the country. A place where 150 years ago that flag would have been seen as a symbol of treason.

I grew up in the South where I saw plenty of Confederate flags. My college campus had a small Confederate cemetery on it and every Confederate Memorial Day (do you know when that is, by the way?) they’d be decorated with those flags. And I lived in a state where that Confederate emblem was on the flag for far too long.

Some people say it’s heritage. I don’t buy it. I have Confederate soldiers for ancestors, and I’ve never felt the need to honor them by flying that flag.

I also know it wasn’t even the Confederate flag. It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. (My ancestors’ unit, by the way.) And I know that even the Daughters of the Confederacy advocated not using that flag anymore back in the 1920s. And I also know that it didn’t really make a comeback until the 1950s when a Supreme Court decision let African-American children go to school with white children.

Do you think that flag has been flying in front of the South Carolina capitol since 1865? It hasn’t. It was put there for one reason only: racist defiance in the face of integration.

I think you believe that the flag brands you as a “rebel” or somehow honors your outlook on life. It doesn’t. It brands you as a racist. You may not think you are one, but flying that flag is a racist act.

I know that right now you are saying, “But I’m not a racist!” “Heritage, not hate!” But this isn’t your heritage. It’s mine. And it is hate. And it is racism. And every time you put that flag on the back of your car, we all go back in time a little. And the past wasn’t so great for many of our neighbors.

The present isn’t so great either, by the way. Because in a time when nine African-American churchgoers were massacred at their church by a man wearing that flag, and in a week when seven black churches have been burned with little media attention, those flags tell everyone that you could care less about what is happening. Others can suffer, so long as you get to wear your flag. It’s like showing up at a funeral and dancing on the grave.

Is that the kind of man you are? One who doesn’t care who is being hurt, so long as you get to show off your flags on your truck?

You aren’t being a rebel. And you aren’t being courageous. And you won’t be on the right side of history.

But here’s the good news: it doesn’t have to end like that. You can stop flying the Confederate flag. You can honor your ancestors here in the North by learning why they were willing to give their lives to fight against that flag. And you can honor my ancestors down in the South by saying you are willing to learn from their mistakes.

Please. Our town doesn’t need those flags. And, if you look inside and find your better self, you’ll find that neither do you.

a lot of them really don't know. there are confederate flags everywhere in rural Ontario. they think it's a symbol of rural/redneck pride
 
This is true to a point. Previous generations only had limited access to news, today's generation while being bombarded with the views of idiots, now have the means to attempt to work it out for themselves.....

It's a hunch, but rationally how many people have the desire to do that? Your vote carries 1/30 million or so power (so limited impact on its own). How many people want to spend significant portions of an already busy day finding out about political matters, only to then have to spend even more time figuring out if what they're told is true or not? In terms of pay-off, rationally investing that time makes no sense. Democracy worked reasonably when people could make informed decisions reasonably easily, but it makes less and less sense the more effort people need to put in to figure out what is right and wrong.
 
It's a hunch, but rationally how many people have the desire to do that? Your vote carries 1/30 million or so power (so limited impact on its own). How many people want to spend significant portions of an already busy day finding out about political matters, only to then have to spend even more time figuring out if what they're told is true or not? In terms of pay-off, rationally investing that time makes no sense. Democracy worked reasonably when people could make informed decisions reasonably easily, but it makes less and less sense the more effort people need to put in to figure out what is right and wrong.

So how do you fix it, now that it seems legit to just ignore the result anyway......
 
So how do you fix it, now that it seems legit to just ignore the result anyway......

what is being ignored?

it's actually really admirable in a way that something as stupid and counterproductive as Brexit is still going to proceed, because, regardless of whether or not anybody actually understood what it would mean, a majority of people nonetheless voted for it
 
No, apparently not.

We don't need to scratch too far beneath the surface for old enmities to re-open :(
I hope the local libraries have their books sorted into Left and Right...make it a lot more quick and efficient when the book burning starts.
*goes on google earth to look for a large official building with a lot of glass that needs smashing
 
So how do you fix it, now that it seems legit to just ignore the result anyway......

This isn't a thorough treatise, but I've said a few times recently that competence is probably better than ideology in a government, and it seems likely that you get more competent governments when those voting you in know what they're voting for.

Alas, when voter knowledge has been tested, the vast majority fail to grasp simple things that are taught to school kids in civics classes (and migrants would have to know to become citizens!). So, my proposal would be to have a simple politics test that people take before voting. The result would either give you the right to vote, or give your vote greater weight.

That would hopefully help keep politicians honest as it removes the blithely uninformed from the voter pool, so they would have to be better behaved during campaigns. I know people will say that we fought wars to have the right to vote and all that, and it's not taking away anyones right to vote, but rather requiring them to put in a bit of effort before doing so (with great power comes great responsibility and all that).
 
This isn't a thorough treatise, but I've said a few times recently that competence is probably better than ideology in a government, and it seems likely that you get more competent governments when those voting you in know what they're voting for.

Alas, when voter knowledge has been tested, the vast majority fail to grasp simple things that are taught to school kids in civics classes (and migrants would have to know to become citizens!). So, my proposal would be to have a simple politics test that people take before voting. The result would either give you the right to vote, or give your vote greater weight.

That would hopefully help keep politicians honest as it removes the blithely uninformed from the voter pool, so they would have to be better behaved during campaigns. I know people will say that we fought wars to have the right to vote and all that, and it's not taking away anyones right to vote, but rather requiring them to put in a bit of effort before doing so (with great power comes great responsibility and all that).

The liberal left will love this as a proposition. I see your point but where does it stop, a degree in politics required perhaps....maybe nothing less than a 2.1.....
 
I hope the local libraries have their books sorted into Left and Right...make it a lot more quick and efficient when the book burning starts.
*goes on google earth to look for a large official building with a lot of glass that needs smashing

This won't happen until after they've smashed up all the cemeteries......
 
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