Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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steveojcc said:
It's not just since Trump was elected has there been a call by many and not just anti Trump people for a number of years now to remove these. It just so happens their movement has taken more traction since the rise of Racism under Trumps regime.

Remember Trump had more African Americans vote for him than both Romney and W did. Not every black or non white person is a liberal and hated the idea of Trump. Do you think they like those statues as a constant reminder of what their brethren went through? I bet not.

Both the democratic and republican parties have used the black and Latin communities as a tool in my opinion. It's like a game to them to get as many on their side as they can. Forgetting they are normal Americans with their own issues.

Tension has been building for a long time in the US in southern states against law enforcement and well racism in general. There is now a President who has not done or will do anything to ease it. In fact he just seems to trigger and incite the Racists and frustrate and infuriate those looking for hated to stop.
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Indeed.......
 
peteblue said:
Sorry, I'm not referring to these nutters at all, just the underlying intolerance that seems to be coming through since trump won the election. You can read it in this thread, long before the recent troubles.

Now I know I'm on dodgy ground here and you will know this better than I, but I thought the reason that there was a civil war was because the South decided to break away from the North and that the North wanted to preserve the union. The south may well have decided to do this because of slavery, but to suggest that the civil war was fought because of slavery is a big jump. It was, I believe, because the North wanted to sustain the status quo.....no ?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War
Historians debating the origins of the American Civil War focus on the reasons why seven Southern states declared their secession from the United States (the Union), why they united to form the Confederate States of America (or simply known as the "Confederacy"), and why the North refused to let them go. While most historians agree that conflicts over slavery caused the war, they disagree sharply regarding which kinds of conflict—ideological, economic, political, or social—were most important.[1]

The primary catalyst for secession was slavery, especially Southern political leaders' resistance to attempts by Northern antislavery political forces to block the expansion of slavery into the western territories. Another explanation for secession, and the subsequent formation of the Confederacy, was white Southern nationalism.[2] The primary reason for the North to reject secession was to preserve the Union, a cause based on American nationalism.[3] Most of the debate is about the first question, as to why some southern states decided to secede.
 
LinekersLegs said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War
Historians debating the origins of the American Civil War focus on the reasons why seven Southern states declared their secession from the United States (the Union), why they united to form the Confederate States of America (or simply known as the "Confederacy"), and why the North refused to let them go. While most historians agree that conflicts over slavery caused the war, they disagree sharply regarding which kinds of conflict—ideological, economic, political, or social—were most important.[1]

The primary catalyst for secession was slavery, especially Southern political leaders' resistance to attempts by Northern antislavery political forces to block the expansion of slavery into the western territories. Another explanation for secession, and the subsequent formation of the Confederacy, was white Southern nationalism.[2] The primary reason for the North to reject secession was to preserve the Union, a cause based on American nationalism.[3] Most of the debate is about the first question, as to why some southern states decided to secede.
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So most of the debate is about the first reason, while I would bet that most of the reason for the politicians and industrialists was for the second. War is usually based on greed on greed or nationalism.....
 
peteblue said:
Which is fair enough, but I saw an image of an ordinary confederate soldier, which had been pulled over and destroyed, which was akin to the many statues we have in the UK of ordinary soldiers. Now I don't know the history of the man, who was probably unidentified, but I hate the idea of individuals or a mob destroying history, for me it's the equivalent of Hitler's book burning.......
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That's a terrible comparison. It doesn't even make any sense. Why should they be honored in public places? For treason? for fighting to own humans? for trying to secede and tear apart the country? for losing?
 
peteblue said:
Sorry, I'm not referring to these nutters at all, just the underlying intolerance that seems to be coming through since trump won the election. You can read it in this thread, long before the recent troubles.

Now I know I'm on dodgy ground here and you will know this better than I, but I thought the reason that there was a civil war was because the South decided to break away from the North and that the North wanted to preserve the union. The south may well have decided to do this because of slavery, but to suggest that the civil war was fought because of slavery is a big jump. It was, I believe, because the North wanted to sustain the status quo.....no ?
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See this article from the Jackson Free Press.
 
Ruairi77 said:
That's a terrible comparison. It doesn't even make any sense. Why should they be honored in public places? For treason? for fighting to own humans? for trying to secede and tear apart the country? for losing?
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I suspect he is trolling now. He has clearly no idea the history of the United States nor does it look like he cares to understand its complex nature. As if he did he would stop comparing it to Britain.
 
peteblue said:
But do you not see or feel that it is getting a bit out of hand.....
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It is. I fear this nation wasn't actually ready for a black president. 8 years of conservative media railing against Obama on EVERYTHING seems to have helped radicalized a portion of our society. If you listen to conservative radio it's very bombastic painting the left as pure evil.

Trump has seized the moment by continuing that same rhetoric throughout his campaign. His presidency has been an embarassment thus far and I don't see it getting better. He's emboldened a very dark belief system that I thought we were past as a nation.

It's very troubling that people actually believe that those who oppose racist speech and racist ideas are fascists. It's all gone upside down.
 
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Ruairi77 said:
That's a terrible comparison. It doesn't even make any sense. Why should they be honored in public places? For treason? for fighting to own humans? for trying to secede and tear apart the country? for losing?
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Well, they were fighting for Independence, no less than the 13 states did..... it's just a matter of viewpoint.... my main thrust though is still about one of intolerance.......
 
steveojcc said:
So you disagree then? Or like your previous comment the other day you have nothing, so you choose to be sarcastic or smart or disparaging back.
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I was agreeing. Why did you assume something different. This just emphasises what I'm on about, intolerance and suspicion abound.......
 
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