Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Oh I don't disagree with the last paragraph not at all , it's the idea that anybody could have picked him ahead of Hilary to win and then be surprised that they got that I struggle with . I'm sorry but a lot of us saw this is what the future held when he told the world he supported torture , wanted to bomb Isis to oblivion and advocated executing terrorists families . All of the previous I pointed out to you in debate when you backed him , you responded by saying :

--"I actually dont think he's got an ideal in him - beyond making money. He's a massive ego who just wants to tick off the box "U.S. President" from his lifetime goals list. He'd delegate everything and go round the world opening up new Trump Towers for four years."--

In reality in my opinion you got it badly badly wrong , whether it was because of a desire to be obtuse or because you actually believed it I've no idea . The election of trump has been terrible , for the US and it's image around the world but also for the security of the rest of us .

People voted for him and he won the election , people I suppose like you who "wanted him to win" and the US and us in the greater world have got to live with that and hope we can get through the next few years without anything cataclysmic happening . Impeachment despite everything sadly seems a long way away , whether that changes after 2018 who knows.

Exactly this. It's the politics by sports event mentality, rather than something that actually matters, that began in the 80s and has been exacerbated by social media and iphones today that brought us this utter clown to office. Even those that should be scared are not b/c they don't see how bad it could get.

 

[davek]

Oh I don't disagree with the last paragraph not at all , it's the idea that anybody could have picked him ahead of Hilary to win and then be surprised that they got that I struggle with . I'm sorry but a lot of us saw this is what the future held when he told the world he supported torture , wanted to bomb Isis to oblivion and advocated executing terrorists families . All of the previous I pointed out to you in debate when you backed him , you responded by saying :

--"I actually dont think he's got an ideal in him - beyond making money. He's a massive ego who just wants to tick off the box "U.S. President" from his lifetime goals list. He'd delegate everything and go round the world opening up new Trump Towers for four years."--

In reality in my opinion you got it badly badly wrong , whether it was because of a desire to be obtuse or because you actually believed it I've no idea . The election of trump has been terrible , for the US and it's image around the world but also for the security of the rest of us .

People voted for him and he won the election , people I suppose like you who "wanted him to win" and the US and us in the greater world have got to live with that and hope we can get through the next few years without anything cataclysmic happening . Impeachment despite everything sadly seems a long way away , whether that changes after 2018 who knows.

And that was a sound analysis: he's a businessman, not an ex General or military man of any description. He's spent his whole life making cash and seeing buildings either erected or with his name erected on top of an existing massive building. There is absolutely no way anyone would in advance view a man who's overseen the physical build up of a global business empire and built a fortune in the process as someone likely to want to see it all be torn down in a global thermo nuclear war. In fact, I still dont see that as a likely outcome and I'm pretty certain he's letting his flair for the dramatic carry the day, but the very notion that ideas like that are knocking around in his head and could be formulated into an actual strategy leads me to state he needs to be stood down.

And please dont put forward the notion that you saw this turn of events as a serious proposition. You wanted Clinton to win: a woman who most political commentators prior to the election saw as more the hawkish and likely to countenance the use of nuclear weapons. You're not Nostradamus mate.

 

[Harryflashman]

And that was a sound analysis: he's a businessman, not an ex General or military man of any description. He's spent his whole life making cash and seeing building either erected or with his name erected on top of an existing massive building. There is absolutely no way anyone would in advance view a man who's overseen the physical built up of a global business empire and built a fortune in the process as someone likely to want to see it all be torn down in a global thermo nuclear war. In fact, I still dont see that as a likely outcome and I'm pretty certain he's letting his flair for the dramatic carry the day, but the very notion that ideas like that are knocking around in his head and could be formulated into an actual strategy leads me to state he needs to be stood down.

And please dont put forward the notion that you saw this turn of events as a serious proposition. You wanted Clinton to win: a woman who most political commentators prior to the election saw as more the hawkish and likely to countenance the use of nuclear weapons. You're not Nostradamus mate.

I'm not Nostradamus because you didn't have to be you just had to listen . I didn't bang the drum for Hilary in fact in conversation with you I said if you have liberal ideals you have to " hold your nose " and vote for her . I simply didn't want trump anywhere near the Whitehouse.

When you posted some of your tacit backing of Trump I asked did you really think he was a Dove ? Because I felt that was laughable , it's not Nostradamus mate I said to you :


----His talk to "bomb the swear filter out of Isis " or "take out the families " of terrorists whilst after a Turkey attack pledging to "fight fire with fire " whilst accusing the US government of being weak and describing water boarding as "peanuts " and praising putin and Assad for fighting Isis in Syria all indicate me he might be a tiny bit hawkish I'll be honest .

This is a man who advocates torture and warcrimes whilst praising Putin and assad---

Trump is a dangerous man who by everything he said indicated he was a dangerous man , an advocate of torture and extra judicial execution. So you didn't see it , if you didn't then that's your bad don't accuse others of not seeing it because the threads on him are absolutely full and I mean full of people who were terrified of the prospect of his presidency.

 

[davek]

I'm not Nostradamus because you didn't have to be you just had to listen . I didn't bang the drum for Hilary in fact in conversation with you I said if you have liberal ideals you have to " hold your nose " and vote for her . I simply didn't want trump anywhere near the Whitehouse.

When you posted some of your tacit backing of Trump I asked did you really think he was a Dove ? Because I felt that was laughable , it's not Nostradamus mate I said to you :
----His talk to "bomb the swear filter out of Isis " or "take out the families " of terrorists whilst after a Turkey attack pledging to "fight fire with fire " whilst accusing the US government of being weak and describing water boarding as "peanuts " and praising putin and Assad for fighting Isis in Syria all indicate me he might be a tiny bit hawkish I'll be honest .

This is a man who advocates torture and warcrimes whilst praising Putin and assad---

Trump is a dangerous man who by everything he said indicated he was a dangerous man , an advocate of torture and extra judicial execution. So you didn't see it , if you didn't then that's your bad don't accuse others of not seeing it because the threads on him are absolutely full and I mean full of people who were terrified of the prospect of his presidency.

...and that is a long long way off being a thin end of the wedge set of foreign policies that could be viewed as fair warning for sabre rattling with nuclear weapons. What he stated was in line with Clinton and other former Presidents who conducted hot wars around the globe and trampled over human rights treaties.

But be my guest mate, you can position me as a muddle headed appeaser who 'backed' one presidential candidate over another and has egg on their faces. You win the internet. I'll just continue being concerned about this alarming turn of events.

 

[peteblue]

Trump will win the next election as well........

 

[Harryflashman]

...and that is a long long way off being a thin end of the wedge set of foreign policies that could be viewed as fair warning for sabre rattling with nuclear weapons. What he stated was in line with Clinton and other former Presidents who conducted hot wars around the globe and trampled over human rights treaties.

But be my guest mate, you can position me as a muddle headed appeaser who 'backed' one presidential candidate over another and has egg on their faces. You win the internet. I'll just continue being concerned about this alarming turn of events.

I'm not trying to , you backed trump and at the time it surprised me as it didn't tie with the political ideology I thought you had. So it surprised me when I've now seen you say you wanted him gone . That commenced a conversation, if something is put to me I'm going to reply .

I'm very concerned and I was concerned at the time of the election.

 

[Harryflashman]

Trump will win the next election as well........

If he did it wouldn't massively surprise me . Its also possible he might not run and he could easily lose .

That's the madness of it all .

 

[Gouldy]

 

[davek]

I'm not trying to , you backed trump and at the time it surprised me as it didn't tie with the political ideology I thought you had. So it surprised me when I've now seen you say you wanted him gone . That commenced a conversation, if something is put to me I'm going to reply .

I'm very concerned and I was concerned at the time of the election.

I didnt 'back' Trump from an ideological sense. I stated at the time (and you repeated that point I made above here today) that he had no discernible ideology beyond being a man who wanted to make more money. I 'backed' Trump because Clinton was, and is, a warmonger who's foreign policy trajectory vis-a-vis Russia was heading in only one alarming direction.

I'm sorry I didn't see in advance this businessman's outburst on North Korea. But then who could?

It's almost certainly another BS statement from the BS president. But, as said already, the stakes are way too high to find that out. He needs to go and he needs to do so at as fast a pace as allows for.

 

[Gouldy]

Oh I don't disagree with the last paragraph not at all , it's the idea that anybody could have picked him ahead of Hilary to win and then be surprised that they got that I struggle with . I'm sorry but a lot of us saw this is what the future held when he told the world he supported torture , wanted to bomb Isis to oblivion and advocated executing terrorists families . All of the previous I pointed out to you in debate when you backed him , you responded by saying :

--"I actually dont think he's got an ideal in him - beyond making money. He's a massive ego who just wants to tick off the box "U.S. President" from his lifetime goals list. He'd delegate everything and go round the world opening up new Trump Towers for four years."--

In reality in my opinion you got it badly badly wrong , whether it was because of a desire to be obtuse or because you actually believed it I've no idea . The election of trump has been terrible , for the US and it's image around the world but also for the security of the rest of us .

People voted for him and he won the election , people I suppose like you who "wanted him to win" and the US and us in the greater world have got to live with that and hope we can get through the next few years without anything cataclysmic happening . Impeachment despite everything sadly seems a long way away , whether that changes after 2018 who knows.

Absolutely 100% spot on mate.

 

[Gouldy]

I didnt 'back' Trump from an ideological sense. I stated at the time (and you repeated that point I made above here today) that he had no discernible ideology beyond being a man who wanted to make more money. I 'backed' Trump because Clinton was, and is, a warmonger who's foreign policy trajectory vis-a-vis Russia was heading in only one alarming direction.

I'm sorry I didn't see in advance this businessman's outburst on North Korea. But then who could?

It's almost certainly another BS statement from the BS president. But, as said already, the stakes are way too high to find that out. He needs to go and he needs to do so at as fast a pace as allows for.

But did you not see his general temperament throughout the primary and election campaigns? Did that not raise any concerns with you? He was illogical, hot-headed, rogue and ill-equipped and it easily recognisable that he was (and is) drasitcally unfit to handle the Presidency- regardless of whom his opponent was.

 

[Harryflashman]

I didnt 'back' Trump from an ideological sense. I stated at the time (and you repeated that point I made above here today) that he had no discernible ideology beyond being a man who wanted to make more money. I 'backed' Trump because Clinton was, and is, a warmonger who's foreign policy trajectory vis-a-vis Russia was heading in only one alarming direction.

I'm sorry I didn't see in advance this business man's outburst on North Korea. But then who could?

It's almost certainly another BS statement from the BS president. But, as said already, the stakes are way too high to find that out. He needs to go and he needs to do so at as fast a pace as allows for.

I don't know why you feel the need to apologise but that's up to you and how you feel.

I don't know if it's BS or not , as I understand he used the phrase "like the world has never seen" is one of his go to phrases so it's entirely possible he was off piste when using that particular expression and had used the phrase earlier the same day and used it at the conference before he gave his statement . I certainly hope it was hyperbole and I'm sure we both agree on that and aren't alone .

I certainly agree with the sentiment that he needs to go in so much as I'd like him to go and I think it'd be to the benefit of many but ultimately he's democratically elected so there might be a way to go on that particular journey as well.

 

[Harryflashman]

I've literally just seen that and was about to post , very interesting news.

I've said before I thought Russia might end up being a big pile of nothing but as time has gone on more and more and then more and more has been revealed that makes that unlikely.

 

[davek]

But did you not see his general temperament throughout the primary and election campaigns? Did that not raise any concerns with you? He was illogical, hot-headed, rogue and ill-equipped and it easily recognisable that he was (and is) drasitcally unfit to handle the Presidency- regardless of whom his opponent was.

The only semi-coherent foreign policy debate on that lamentable and generally policy free GE campaign was the one over how to deal with the second largest nuclear power in the world: Trump was quite obviously taking a less hawkish line than Clinton on it - a woman who sabre rattled right the way through that GE.

Sorry, but your attempt to make this latest turn of events look predictable wont wash.

 

[Gouldy]

The only semi-coherent foreign policy debate on that lamentable and generally policy free GE campaign was the one over how to deal with the second largest nuclear power in the world: Trump was quite obviously taking a less hawkish line than Clinton on it - a woman who sabre rattled right the way through that GE.

Sorry, but your attempt to make this latest turn of events look predictable wont wash.

I think it was absolutely predictable that N.Korea would at some point be a future issue . I think it was also predictable that Trump's reaction to any FP threat would be brash and ridiculous l. I think your inability to either understand this or foresee such issues would be down to the fact that you effectively endorsed Trump.