Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[ilikecheese]

I prefer Sassy Trump

 

[davek]

Hillary was just Obama without the charm. They are both Rockefeller Republicians (for you Brits, a Rockefeller Republician is George Bush I) would have been Republicans if the GOP didn't cast almost every single one of them out. There would have been very little change.

Democratic presidents have always been the bigger warmongers. IIRC?

 

[Rook]

But the fact that Trump is mired in controversy after controversy and barely able to function underlines that the old system is still pretty much in tact and effectively calling the shots...and with the support of the vast majority of media outlets?

Looking from the outside this looks like a presidency placed in quarantine and the only thing to be decided is exactly how long he should get before he's seen off the premises with the most convincing narrative that it was the only acton to take. The less than hard core supporters who got him over the line seem to be deserting him if the personal poll rating trend is anything to go by.

The Republican congress do not fear losing to a democrat, they fear getting primaried. Still a majority of republician voters (especially rural ones) are all in with Trump who believe in only 2 things: making liburauls mad and the cult of Trump himself. You could present all the evidence of crimes you want anyone who votes impeachment will suddenly have their cushy district/state lifelong appt in jeopardy.

 

[Gouldy]

There's no deflection: the original statement of 'support' in the GE campaign from me was a Clinton/Trump comparison of likely warmongering.

Your inability to go back to source is duly noted.

Yes but my original reply was limited in scope to simply about the foreseeability of Trump's temperament - not a game of What Ifs of a Hillary Clinton Presidency (which I couldn't care less about until she runs again in 2020).

 

[DanEFC92]

I prefer Sassy Trump

He used to go to my school.

Serafinowicz that is, not Trump.

 

[Rook]

Democratic presidents have always been the bigger warmongers. IIRC?

Dems are still to the left of say neocons and for the most part Democrats don't want to have anything to do with the military. However they have to seem "tough" and now have taken a firm pro war stand because its easier. Simple laziness.

 

[RAFUH]

Would like to see a defence of Trump that doesn't involve bringing up Hillary or Obama, just for a change

Fake news!

 

[The binman chronicles]

I'm starting to get the opinion Trump may want NK to kick off. Nothing like a nuclear war to distract people from other items.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm starting to get the opinion Trump may want NK to kick off. Nothing like a nuclear war to distract people from other items.

China won’t let North Korea do anything, a bit of sabre rattling, America will ask China to have word, China will name their price, some Islands in South China sea most likely, all will calm down until next time. The crunch will come once China has reached above America in both economy and military and planted its static nuclear power station bombs all over the UK.

 

[peteblue]

There's no deflection: the original statement of 'support' in the GE campaign from me was a Clinton/Trump comparison of likely warmongering.

Your inability to go back to source is duly noted.

I wouldn't even bother defending it mate, he won, as a few of us said he would. He's a pillock but still the better of two evils........

 

[Rook]

I don't think people realize that if the NK regime ever falls (internally or via war) the 1st move that SK makes would be to seal off the border to the north. Outside of evangelicals in the country South Korea wants nothing to do with reunification, not to mention they'll have quite the mess of buildings and bodies to clean up in their own country.

 

[Ruairi77]

still the better of two evils........

Ah you're on the wind up now

 

[ilikecheese]

I'm starting to get the opinion Trump may want NK to kick off. Nothing like a nuclear war to distract people from other items.

He needs his 9/11.

 

[SteveSC]

I wouldn't even bother defending it mate, he won, as a few of us said he would. He's a pillock but still the better of two evils........

Ah yes the better of two evils. What a bs phrase first off and a phrase way over used to differentiate these two.

First off i cant stand Clinton but i would have voted for her if i could have any day over Trump.

Trump is proof that it is necessary to at the very least pick someone who is a) educated b) understands DC and its politics and c) Can take criticism without being a 12 year old about it.

He strung the naive, the disillusioned and the Hilary haters along (people who were ironically sick of the institution of politics into voting for him yet that's whats missing). Offering them better. Promising jobs that won't ever come back. Saying he would hire the best people etc... He lied and flip flopped every chance he got and self admittedly used buzz words and coined phrases to work the crowd yet never believing any of them for example 'drain the swamp'.

So the people voted the orange faced baboon and where has that got us? He really hasn't been able to deliver on anything. Other than destroying anything Obama touched. The Republican party are lying to themselves sticking with this guy simply because they control everything but yet they cannot control his twitter or is alibiing nor his outlandish, repetitive, insane comments. His base are happy because hes not a career politician and he's listening to them, i guess who knows what these people feel... to not see through his bluster.

You tell me how someone who is very thinned skinned and who seemingly doesn't listen to anyone or understand for the most part of whats going on is better than a career politician?

At the very least Hilary would have picked her entire cabinet and staff by now. Maybe got the Democratic party to pass some legislation and not blame everyone but herself for not doing so. Instead of saying she would have "great people" she might have hired actual people who know what they are doing. Filled positions that are key.

Oh yeah not forgetting the EPA and other departments might be still operating correctly and getting funding still. I doubt she would have removed most of what Obama signed in, well maybe one or two. I doubt she would have effectively wiped the previous 8 years off the map and put the country on a backwards path.

As for the warmonger part, the right leaning press has done their best to convince us this is what she would be. Would she be prone to going to war? Probably, yes. But would she start needless wars no that's just idiotic talk. No president of Russia, the US and China will ever go to war with one another. We are in a way a new state of a cold war with those countries.

North Korea is the only country any president would really consider taking on but even then its not as easy as Trump puts it and some have mentioned on here. I doubt Clinton would overrule her key members of staff to needlessly start a war. Shes about power yes but also about wealth. Nuclear wars are the start of the end of civilization no one wins. I think most sane leaders realise that so they talk a big game.

Fear mongering is the biggest weapon nowadays.

 

[peteblue]

Ah yes the better of two evils. What a bs phrase first off and a phrase way over used to differentiate these two.

First off i cant stand Clinton but i would have voted for her if i could have any day over Trump.

Trump is proof that it is necessary to at the very least pick someone who is a) educated b) understands DC and its politics and c) Can take criticism without being a 12 year old about it.

He strung the naive, the disillusioned and the Hilary haters along (people who were ironically sick of the institution of politics into voting for him yet that's whats missing). Offering them better. Promising jobs that won't ever come back. Saying he would hire the best people etc... He lied and flip flopped every chance he got and self admittedly used buzz words and coined phrases to work the crowd yet never believing any of them for example 'drain the swamp'.

So the people voted the orange faced baboon and where has that got us? He really hasn't been able to deliver on anything. Other than destroying anything Obama touched. The Republican party are lying to themselves sticking with this guy simply because they control everything but yet they cannot control his twitter or is alibiing nor his outlandish, repetitive, insane comments. His base are happy because hes not a career politician and he's listening to them, i guess who knows what these people feel... to not see through his bluster.

You tell me how someone who is very thinned skinned and who seemingly doesn't listen to anyone or understand for the most part of whats going on is better than a career politician?

At the very least Hilary would have picked her entire cabinet and staff by now. Maybe got the Democratic party to pass some legislation and not blame everyone but herself for not doing so. Instead of saying she would have "great people" she might have hired actual people who know what they are doing. Filled positions that are key.

Oh yeah not forgetting the EPA and other departments might be still operating correctly and getting funding still. I doubt she would have removed most of what Obama signed in, well maybe one or two. I doubt she would have effectively wiped the previous 8 years off the map and put the country on a backwards path.

As for the warmonger part, the right leaning press has done their best to convince us this is what she would be. Would she be prone to going to war? Probably, yes. But would she start needless wars no that's just idiotic talk. No president of Russia, the US and China will ever go to war with one another. We are in a way a new state of a cold war with those countries.

North Korea is the only country any president would really consider taking on but even then its not as easy as Trump puts it and some have mentioned on here. I doubt Clinton would overrule her key members of staff to needlessly start a war. Shes about power yes but also about wealth. Nuclear wars are the start of the end of civilization no one wins. I think most sane leaders realise that so they talk a big game.

Fear mongering is the biggest weapon nowadays.

You do realise that it was just for the job of President of the United States, and that Ronald Reagan once had it.......