Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Whoa, that is a hell of a trial balloon
https://www.axios.com/inside-the-white-house-scramble-on-the-trump-jr-emails-2457466929.html
https://www.axios.com/inside-the-white-house-scramble-on-the-trump-jr-emails-2457466929.html
- There's an emerging strategy to turn this back around on the Democrats.
- An extreme example of this approach is Roger Stone, who texted Axios: "The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional surveillance of Americans... I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible."
- Although Stone is a longtime confidant of Trump, this in no way reflects the strategy preferred by current White House staffers. With that said, there are already internal conversations about turning this into a conversation about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and the way they handled sensitive intelligence.
jal123
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Impeach this cretin now for the sake of your country,
abelard
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That is certainly amusing to imagine
The trouble with taking on the foreign policy/intelligence/surveillance establishment is that it would mean mutually-assured bipartisan destruction. The modern era started with Bush after 9/11 and continued more or less seamlessly under Obama. You couldn't just quarantine out the Republican contributions. I've always thought this piece was pretty sound: http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf
http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf
On the other hand, its not like Trump would care about or even understand any of these implications, and a "pox on all their houses" approach would no doubt poll overwhelmingly well. But it's really just idle pie in the sky fantasy from Stone, and if anyone ever tried to clean house, so to speak, the term "Deep State" would suddenly represent more than just lazy chud-bait. It would take a lot more than Trump's lazy failings to do any serious about the appalling ways the United States has conducted itself.
I hope Pence goes down like all the other greedy rent-seekers
Don't think it meets the legal criteria yet, although both Manafort and Jared are certainly in legal jeopardy for not reporting the meeting on their security disclosure forms.
However this looks to have been an initial lure by Russians to see if Trump and his campaign would bite.
Given they didn't blink an eye to the idea that the Russian government was willing to help get Trump elected and in fact downright eager to cooperate you have got to think the Russians tried further conctacts. Going to be interesting to see what other meetings there were, what information the Russians offered, whether the information was legally collected and crucially whether Trump team offered anything in return eg lifting sanctions.
Seems like obstruction of justice will be easy enough to stick. Remove from office and start over again. Is treason still punishable by death? Not sure that would go over well...
If they try to fire Mueller it can't be allowed.
I mean, there's also this...
Really, it just spins my head faster than I can keep up, and too much like this...
abelard
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Fort Sumter, Round II
Who is going to stop it? Impeachment is a political process, not deus ex machina absolution
It is in the hands of people like this
on behalf of people like this
They already tried this once
and we all know how that worked out
As you say the obstruction of justice argument re firing Comey just got a lot of meat on its bone - hard to maintain the idea that Russian collusion is all just sort of witch-hunt when your first born son tweeted out that he attempted it but just wasn't successful!
abelard
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Yep. What's the charge, Attempted Collusion? Collusionslaughter? There isn't anything that will, of necessity, result from this. The situation only changes if voters change their minds about him.
And everyone was overwhelmingly aware of Trump's laziness, ignorance, corruption, narcissism, impetuousness, spitefulness, sex crimes etc. And they still voted for him. It's baked into the cake. Junior's emails would have a different effect in a better country, but I'm afraid here it's just pushing against an open door. There isn't any indication yet that the Dems have begun even to contemplate much less develop a positive alternative. That's why the health care bill, should it even pass, will ultimately be much more consequential.
America is not actually even close to being the country we all learned about in primary school. The good guys don't always win in the end, and things don't somehow eventually get better. The moral arc of the universe is long, and it probably bends towards neo-feudalism and environmental catastrophe. There aren't any get out of jail free cards. It will require actual engagement and persuasion.
He'll get hung on something "petty," that's how it always happens. Hold be great if the IRS nails him, but I don't think the story ends that way.
abelard
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If the IRS was the decisive factor in Trump's deposal, it would absolutely just be the start, and not the end, of the story.
I can't think of anything save maybe an election that will convince freedom lovin' folks like these to put away their toys and go home
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