Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[SteveSC]

So Trump Jr. has just posted the email chain. I don't get how this helps him, is he just trying to get out in front of it?
He's sailing very close to the wind here!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...il-chain-russia-hillary-clinton?CMP=edit_2221

Yeah weird move alright.

Watch his father come out and call the news fake or say its a witch hunt against his son....

 

[Ruairi77]

The only two explanations I have are
1) there is much worse out there so in comparison he doesn't realise how bad this email chain looks
2) he is going for a legal defense on the grounds of diminished responsibility

No 2. is a possibility, he's clearly been legally advised to do this.

 

[carolinablue232]

The fiscal problems in Illinois really don't have anything to do with one party or another. The issue dates back to the 70s and involves indecision by both the Statehouse and Governors (btw, the GOP controlled the Governor's Mansion from 1976-2003) who routinely punted hard decisions about state pensions and future financial liabilities of the state. It is a lesson in expedience over leadership and it is a crisis that infects members of both parties in Illinois in parties worldwide.

Fair points. However, while problems may have started in the 70s but they've intensified over the past 10-15 years. State lawmakers in the early 2000s until recently continued to promise more and more benefits to retired teachers, police officers, firefighters, and other government workers, and there was no money to pay these pledges. All the while, Illinois politicians who were the Dems making these promises, didn't have a balanced budget for over a decade. Then, because they've made these promises, other priorities like schools, roads, etc. get cut.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

No 2. is a possibility, he's clearly been legally advised to do this.

The "we tried to collude with the Russian government but they didn't give us all the dirt straight away" is the sort of defence his lawyers would come up with!

If this is the stuff that the NYT has on Junior, Manafort and Jared can you imagine what Mueller has???

Especially any potential communication with the president himself

 

[Duncan Disordely]

The "we tried to collude with the Russian government but they didn't give us all the dirt straight away" is the sort of defence his lawyers would come up with!

If this is the stuff that the NYT has on Junior, Manafort and Jared can you imagine what Mueller has???

Especially any potential communication with the president himself

 

[Duncan Disordely]

lol

 

[magicjuan]

The "we tried to collude with the Russian government but they didn't give us all the dirt straight away" is the sort of defence his lawyers would come up with!

If this is the stuff that the NYT has on Junior, Manafort and Jared can you imagine what Mueller has???

Especially any potential communication with the president himself

That his son is first port of call is beyond bizarre. Like, 'see if your old man likes these..'
Very worrying on top of his daughter and her new position of leader of the free world..

 

[Harryflashman]

Unless I'm missing something the publishing of the chain makes absolutely no sense .

Then again very little does these days .

 

[BlueTX]

Fair points. However, while problems may have started in the 70s but they've intensified over the past 10-15 years. State lawmakers in the early 2000s until recently continued to promise more and more benefits to retired teachers, police officers, firefighters, and other government workers, and there was no money to pay these pledges. All the while, Illinois politicians who were the Dems making these promises, didn't have a balanced budget for over a decade. Then, because they've made these promises, other priorities like schools, roads, etc. get cut.

Well, sure. That's how it works once the ball starts rolling downhill. If you don't stop it quickly enough it gains speed and becomes much more difficult to deal with. Party politics has little to do with it as both parties are guilty of same.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Pence has the look of a man eyeing the lifeboats. The NYT have been getting a lot of incriminating info direct from the White house, wonder if it has Mike's fingerprints on it...

 

[verreauxi]

The fiscal problems in Illinois really don't have anything to do with one party or another. The issue dates back to the 70s and involves indecision by both the Statehouse and Governors (btw, the GOP controlled the Governor's Mansion from 1976-2003) who routinely punted hard decisions about state pensions and future financial liabilities of the state. It is a lesson in expedience over leadership and it is a crisis that infects members of both parties in Illinois in parties worldwide.

Also, their pension system is completely killing the state budget. You can retire with 90% of your yearly salary (and generous cost of living increases) under some of their systems--this is unsustainable, since it means that the state is paying folks for "free" who retire at 50-55 (as many state workers do) and live til 75, 80, 90. It is crazy, and it is bankrupting the state. And it is in their state constitution that you cannot change the pension system.

 

[RAFUH]

All right, I don't currently affiliate myself with either party mostly because no one in Washington actually gives a crap about doing what's right, but if you're curious to see far left financial policy failure, look at the current state of Illinois.

Since 1933, mayors of Chicago have been Democrat. Since 1982, Democrats have controlled the Illinois House of Representatives (except for 2 years). Democrats have controlled the Illinois Senate since 2003, and controlled the Governor's mansion from 2003-2014. NBC bragged that Illinois is the "most Democratic state in the country."

What we're left with is perhaps the most damning indictment of progressive economic policy--the AP reported recently that the entire Illinois revenue stream is now tied up in mandatory spending, meaning there is no money for school buses, domestic violence shelters, and ambulance services, just to name a few things. In fact, with recent court orders, the state can't even keep up with what the court's deemed mandatory. The list of now-broken promises made by Democratic politicians to Illinois residents over the past two decades is staggering. Their government, dominated by Democrats for decades, has utterly failed them. Sanders, Warren, and their buddies sure sound good on paper (who wouldn't want free college?) but Illinois (and Detroit for that matter) should serve as a stern warning.

Just raise taxes, right? Well, Democrats and GOP Governor Rauner are exploring that. But...they should keep in mind that for the third consecutive year, Illinois led the country in population loss, and will lose at least one electoral vote the next election cycle. Who would have thought people don't like seeing government take more of their money and flush it down the toilet, especially when they can move to a state with better weather and lower taxes in the Sun Belt (almost all of which are governed by the GOP). S&P and Moody's just downgraded Illinois's bond rating to "near junk" on June 1st, the lowest ever for a US state. Oh, and the south side of Chicago has become a war zone, but that's a whole other story.

Now I'm not suggesting trickle down economics is the answer either (see Kansas), but if we're talking about Democratic economic policy being best for the "common man," I kindly direct you to the above. Similarly, the reason why the Dems lost the Rust Belt this election, at least in my eyes isn't because of the promises crazy Donald made. In my mind it's more because of the failed promises the Obama administration made, and Hilary was far from trustworthy.

I counter with Kansas
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...blowback-against-sam-brownback-kansas/517641/

 

[BlueTX]

Also, their pension system is completely killing the state budget. You can retire with 90% of your yearly salary (and generous cost of living increases) under some of their systems--this is unsustainable, since it means that the state is paying folks for "free" who retire at 50-55 (as many state workers do) and live til 75, 80, 90. It is crazy, and it is bankrupting the state. And it is in their state constitution that you cannot change the pension system.

Yes. It really is nuts in Illinois. My wife will be a state pensioner here in Texas when she retires from being an educator. There's a great lot wrong with our state government but the TRS system is managed well. We sure wish she would retire with 90% of her pay for the rest of her life plus COLA but that's just not realistic/sustainable.

 

[devogue]

Christ it is an absolute mess :O