Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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If the IRS was the decisive factor in Trump's deposal, it would absolutely just be the start, and not the end, of the story.

I can't think of anything save maybe an election that will convince freedom lovin' folks like these to put away their toys and go home
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I reported a fake news story on Facebook yesterday for the first time. It was involving a(nother) supposed elite pedophile ring. Will be interesting to see how this turns out and whether this function is useful. But I'm not at all encouraged by the number of people so easily unhinged from reality by the fake news going around these days.
 
I reported a fake news story on Facebook yesterday for the first time. It was involving a(nother) supposed elite pedophile ring. Will be interesting to see how this turns out and whether this function is useful. But I'm not at all encouraged by the number of people so easily unhinged from reality by the fake news going around these days.

Good for you, I guess. But the trouble is that so many people want to believe. Things that obviously aren't true still feel true, and they respond accordingly. Hard to see how that toothpaste goes back in the tube. It's a bipartisan problem - I've seen people with PhDs retweeting Louise Mensch, and I'm probably not flawless either - though that's not in any way to equate the scale of both sides' malady.
 
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I'm on a roll tonight. Did anyone read the latest David Brooks covfefe? It has been subject to all manner of ridicule and parody.

And to some extent, rightfully so. Conservatives and others like him have done so much to accelerate the misery of the people he pities here, and to ensure that they are barely able even to maintain what they have and cherish, led alone thrive in the world he inhabits. This has a much more serious impact than the problem he addresses.

But I thought this response, from a conservative who is often incredibly exasperating and times really quite hateful, was much more on the mark. Certainly a sentiment I and others in my family can identify with. This isn't directly about Trump, and he is clearly in no way an appropriate or effective political response, but I think it's important to understanding in part what brought about his unlikely win (and only in part - most of his supporters have no excuses).

It's too long to post in full, but still, several beers in and waiting for my wife to finish her shift, worth reading, I think.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sandwich-david-brooks-culture-class/
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"To feel at home in opportunity-rich areas, you’ve got to understand the right barre techniques, sport the right baby carrier, have the right podcast, food truck, tea, wine and Pilates tastes, not to mention possess the right attitudes about David Foster Wallace, child-rearing, gender norms and intersectionality."

"Brooks is right about that, and it was good of him to use that example, however trivial it might sound. The fact that so many snarky commenters don’t understand why something as small as this matters reveals their insensitivity to the phenomenon.

A few years ago, an older working-class woman had done a special favor for me, and I wanted to show her my gratitude. I took her out to a restaurant that wasn’t fancy, exactly, but it was a definite cut above Chili’s. To me, this was my way of showing her my gratitude: to take her to a place that was out of the ordinary. At the table, I was distressed to see her obviously struggling to enjoy herself. She appeared anxious and uncomfortable, and I couldn’t figure out why.

Later, her daughter told me that as grateful as her mother was for the invitation, she was a nervous wreck at the restaurant. Her mom saw unfamiliar words on the menu, and felt stupid. And she thought everybody in the restaurant was surely looking at her, and seeing that she didn’t belong.

I felt bad about this. I thought I was being generous, but in fact I had put my guest on trial — or at least that’s how she felt. I hadn’t thought about that experience in years, until I read the Brooks column. I can’t remember what, exactly, was on the menu that was so intimidating to my guest, but it never occurred to me that anything on that menu was weird. Mind you, I was raised in a working-class cultural environment, but I’ve been out of it culturally for so long that I’ve lost the ability to perceive how trivial words and things like soppressata and Pomodoro are, to some people, fingers pointing at them telling them they are lesser.

One one level, that’s stupid. What’s wrong with trying new things? Soppressata is the name of a kind of Italian salami. Pomodoro is a kind of tomato. These are not exotic things, and arguably less exotic than the comforting Mexican food Brooks and his young guest eventually had. The point is, Brooks’s young guest was freaked out by salami and tomatoes in a way she wasn’t by enchiladas and refried beans. Though the young woman might have been of Mexican background (Brooks doesn’t say), in a place like Texas, say, Mexican food is ordinary cuisine even working-class white people. When I was a small-town Southern kid in the 1970s, Mexican food was impossibly exotic. Today, a Tex-Mex restaurant is one of the most popular places to eat in that town.

I’m really sensitive to this stuff because for years I had to live with the disdain of some members of my Louisiana family for my allegedly fancypants and inauthentic tastes. It was all class anxiety on their part, but they found a way to put the knife in emotionally over these things. They were reverse snobs, and were at times really mean about it. I don’t believe that is excusable. That said, the fact that I was far more comfortable moving in cosmopolitan settings, and had more cosmopolitan tastes, meant that I had doors open for me, professionally and otherwise, that they would not have had.

Much of this is just normal sociology. Every society has its codes of behavior. A New York City lawyer who relocated to small-town south Louisiana would find himself totally at sea, culturally, until he learned the local ways. I remember once in the early 1990s returning from a trip to France and visiting my parents to tell them about it. I mentioned that when I arrived in Paris, the Dutch friends who were supposed to meet me had left a message at my hotel saying they had to cancel.

“What did you do?” said my dad, with tremendous concern.

“Checked in and spent the next few days exploring Paris on my own,” I said, as if it was no big deal. Because it wasn’t.

My father was visibly astonished.

“What’s going on?” I asked.

Said he, “I would have just sat there in the hotel until it was time to go back to the airport.”

He wasn’t joking. He was serious. I admit it was gratifying to my twentysomething self to discover that there was something I could do that my omnicompetent father could not. If you dropped my dad in the middle of the swamp, he could easily find his way out, and deal handily with any obstacles (snakes, gators, etc.) that put themselves in his path. But he would have been paralyzed in Paris. You put me in that same swamp, and I would have been hard-pressed to find my way out, not only because I lacked the skills to do so, but also because I would have been just as paralyzed by fear of the unknown as my dad would have been in Paris.

What David Brooks wants us cosmopolitan types to consider is that a massive number of our fellow Americans feel the same way about the world we move in as my late father felt about the idea of making one’s way alone in Paris. And they feel the same way that we would about finding our way through the swamp back to civilization.

I guess I’m one of those odd-duck conservatives who is open to a relatively wide range of experience, even as I manage to fold exotic experiences into a conservative outlook. Hey, I’m an Eastern Orthodox Christian for reasons that are deeply conservative, and my folks never gave me anything but respect and support in that. But Orthodoxy is extremely weird by their standards, and if they hadn’t gotten used to their son being a weirdo already about religion, it would have been profoundly unsettling to them. When I converted to Catholicism in 1993, my dad was shocked by it. Catholicism isn’t that exotic to south Louisiana Methodists, and he wasn’t much of a churchgoer anyway, but it unsettled him for the reasons Will Wilkinson evinces above.

The point is this: in our time and place — in liquid modernity — a man who can make and accommodate those kinds of radical shifts in perspective is a man who is enormously advantaged professionally over a man who cannot. More prosaically, a man who can walk into a gourmet sandwich shop and roll with it is enormously advantaged over the man who cannot. This is the real meaning of the David Brooks anecdote. Don’t laugh at it.

What can be done about it? For starters, the people identified by Chris Arnade as the “front-row kids” — people like me, and most likely people like you — need to become a lot more aware of the privileges that our cultural formation grants us. This, from Brooks, is very true:

The educated class has built an ever more intricate net to cradle us in and ease everyone else out. It’s not really the prices that ensure 80 percent of your co-shoppers at Whole Foods are, comfortingly, also college grads; it’s the cultural codes.

The lesson is not to resolve to by Lady Bountiful and to take working-class person shopping at Whole Foods. It’s rather to begin by realizing not only how our front-row culture excludes the back-row folks (of all colors!), but also how our own lack of awareness of that fact, and our own self-congratulatory morality (we are so much better than the Deplorables™), only makes the problems worse.

This, by the way, is why I have a very short fuse for front-row pretenses to “diversity,” which are usually only skin deep. The white man who only has a high school education, and who lives in a trailer park on the outskirts of Bunkie, La., will never enjoy the privilege of, say, Jerelyn Luther, the black Yale student whose name lives in deserved infamy as Shrieking Girl. The refusal of the front-row Establishment to recognize the reality of class privilege, which is in large part cultural privilege, is a major barrier to meaningful reform. The way front-row kids in power assuage their status anxiety is by hiring more diversity deans, which is a lot easier than confronting the complexities of class.

The soppressata sandwich is a condensed symbol — shorthand for an entire worldview. In this sense, there are soppressata sandwiches everywhere in our culture. What strikes us front-row kids as just a sandwich appears like land mines to back-row kids. Sneer at David Brooks’s little story all you want, but it’s not a laughing matter to people who experience things like that as impassable barriers."

Dancer Girl (who, if you care, is an African-American lawyer) comments:

"Thank you so much for writing this. I am furious with my fellow liberals who are dragging Brooks through the mud and pretending that he doesn’t have a point. I have been blessed – a word I use advisedly – with access to the elite culture he describes, so I know that the Italian names for those gourmet sandwiches are meaningless signifiers of place and price, so when I’m in those places, I know that it’s all ridiculous posturing, I pull out my wallet, pay, and I don’t think twice. But I don’t come from that world. My branch of the family is college-educated and middle class, but our tree, by and large, is high-school educated and working class. If I took one of my cousins into one of those shops, some would be discomfited by the “fancy” names and high prices, while others would mercilessly slay me for my pretension in choosing the place. That does not mean they are less intelligent; many are smarter than I am, with my multiple degrees. It simply means I have an ability to walk into that culture which they do not possess, and Brooks’ sandwich shop was a metaphor for that experience.

Honestly, the virtue signaling of his critics has been extraordinarily disappointing today. I think the substance of his column is off – cultural barriers are not more important than structural ones when evaluating inequality. But that particular example resonated for me because I knew it to be true. And many of the people mocking him probably have few to no intimate relationships with anyone whose class status might reveal the validity of his point."

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To be sure though, it is the relative prices far more than the products at Whole Foods that are the problem
 
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This is really really "Stupid Watergate"...

I honestly didn't think the Russia probe would really be much of a smoking gun other than probably disclosing lies . I really didn't think it could really be as bad as it seemed , however day by day and exposure by exposure it genuinely looks worse and worse . It's a genuine scandal with the potential to dwarf watergate.

Does any of this actually change anything?

With most of his base ? Almost certainly no
 
NPR had interviews with Trump supporters in Pennsylvania regarding the email chains...comments to the effect of who cares that the dirt was coming from Russia, get it and use it.

It's a win at any costs, me first, I got mine so screw you attitude (not exclusive to Republicans or Trump supporters) that is prevalent in society.
 
NPR had interviews with Trump supporters in Pennsylvania regarding the email chains...comments to the effect of who cares that the dirt was coming from Russia, get it and use it.

It's a win at any costs, me first, I got mine so screw you attitude (not exclusive to Republicans or Trump supporters) that is prevalent in society.

With the exception of the actual democratic party huh? With the "they go low we go high" mentality haha!!

But I agree with it not just being a republican or trump supporter deal overall.
 
Nope. My "not exclusive" parenthetical comment was specifically to recognize there are asshats across the political spectrum.

What i was saying is that the dems should be more like everyone else and try 'win at all costs' instead of their ultra morale high perch they sit on.

The one thing they didn't do was try win at all costs. Using that they go low we go high cringe worthy tag.

I wasn't having a pop at your comment i actually agree with it. Sorry if there was confusion.
 
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