Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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TheFinnFan said:
Like I said this will be entertaining. This really isnt a suprise that Obama who campaigned alongiside Clinton - and behalf of her - at the same time spies their political opponent. Good thing out of all this is that Trump now has offical investigation done by Obama wich concludes that Russian connection is non existent.

Obama the propaganda master.
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@Bruce Wayne is correct to call this speculation, and I am a bit taken aback at any legal jeopardy this may put the site into, but I am no expert on UK laws. Here is what we know. USPERS refers to a US citizen associated with any communication with a foreign person of interest under surveillance, whose identity and content was previously walled off from inter agency distribution under previous guidance from the executive. IC refers to the US intelligence community at large, and in this case, any person with IC level access.

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

Previously, the N.S.A. filtered information before sharing intercepted communications with another agency, like the C.I.A. or the intelligence branches of the F.B.I. and the Drug Enforcement Administration. The N.S.A.’s analysts passed on only information they deemed pertinent, screening out the identities of innocent people and irrelevant personal information.

Now, other intelligence agencies will be able to search directly through raw repositories of communications intercepted by the N.S.A. and then apply such rules for “minimizing” privacy intrusions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...tude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html

What this means is that when NSA targets the Russian ambassador to the US–which we do–and he happens to be talking to someone on the other end who is a USPERS, the side of the communication with the USPERS is not sanitized. It is stored. It is kept in its original form and searchable for anyone with IC access. That is the big story.

Hope this helps in giving factual background for what is going on here. Note that the NYT article dates back to before the inauguration.
 
Seems strange that Trump would want to draw attention to himself by retweeting a possible, but not proven investigation by several US agencies into his links to Russia. The issue, if it has any legs, seems to be more about Trump/Russia connections, which is what Mark Levin is going on about. But if there was some listening going on in Trump tower, then it was legal to do so, since it was approved, and can only be approved, by a FISA judge. FISA judges are (obviously) not part of the executive branch, but the judicial branch, and they are appointed on 7-year terms appointed by the Chief Justice of the supreme court, so the majority are Republican (you can find this info on wikipedia, as I did). From what I read, the FISA "bar" is pretty high, so that there usually has to be good evidence to obtain a warrant, though, almost all requests are approved. And usually the content of such warrant requests are never made public, or if they are, they are in highly redacted form. So we may never know what the request was actually for, but I am highly confident it wasn't some left-wing conspiracy to smear Trump in the way it is being spun in right-wing (fake) news outlets, but rather to see just how much Russia is playing a role in Trump's election campaign...which is an issue of national security.
 
verreauxi said:
Seems strange that Trump would want to draw attention to himself by retweeting a possible, but not proven investigation by several US agencies into his links to Russia. The issue, if it has any legs, seems to be more about Trump/Russia connections, which is what Mark Levin is going on about. But if there was some listening going on in Trump tower, then it was legal to do so, since it was approved, and can only be approved, by a FISA judge. FISA judges are (obviously) not part of the executive branch, but the judicial branch, and they are appointed on 7-year terms appointed by the Chief Justice of the supreme court, so the majority are Republican (you can find this info on wikipedia, as I did). From what I read, the FISA "bar" is pretty high, so that there usually has to be good evidence to obtain a warrant, though, almost all requests are approved. And usually the content of such warrant requests are never made public, or if they are, they are in highly redacted form. So we may never know what the request was actually for, but I am highly confident it wasn't some left-wing conspiracy to smear Trump in the way it is being spun in right-wing (fake) news outlets, but rather to see just how much Russia is playing a role in Trump's election campaign...which is an issue of national security.
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In other words, it's okay. That's what I get from this. To review, the cases against Sessions and Flynn seem to be built on the intelligence obtained via the FISA order, which also leaks info to the press at opportune times via the usual suspects from CIA and NSA.

Special independent prosecutor, get to the bottom of the whole thing, or the republic comes tottering down. That's what I see. This requires resolution via an open examination and a complete explanation to the American public and the world at large.

We're only fifty of so days into this administration. Each day of this makes me more relieved that the election turned out as it did, and you can find several instances of me likening voting for Trump as the equivalent to eating a bug before November. I, like everyone else in the world, was as convinced of a Clinton victory as we all were in 2003 about the existence of the Iraqi chemical weapons that we only finally got to see used decades later in Syria. Shows how much we know.

As I suspected, any GOP winner would be subjected to the full Scott Walker treatment (see Wisconsin state politics) from the DC establishment, but that coupled with their visceral distaste for Trump the man (much of which I share) has thrown things into more vivid relief than I thought possible. Welcome to the new Watergate era, for those who missed it the first time. The attacks will continue until Trump is gone or his opponents are defeated and leave in disgrace.

Your guess as to the outcome is as good as mine.
 
mezzrow said:
[redacted] just got real.

The sitting president has openly accused the preceding president of wiretapping, and a case is building to accuse Democrats of a silent coup d'etat with their actions against Flynn and Sessions and counter with the power and resources of the Executive branch. They're not reacting like the institutional GOP, which should surprise many this weekend.



more:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...laim-obama-wiretapped-him-during-election.php

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443768/obama-fisa-trump-wiretap
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He's actually nuts
 
mezzrow said:
In other words, it's okay. That's what I get from this. To review, the cases against Sessions and Flynn seem to be built on the intelligence obtained via the FISA order, which also leaks info to the press at opportune times via the usual suspects from CIA and NSA.
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Thought that Flynn got caught up on just the regular tapping of the Russian ambassador?
.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-twitter-talk-radio-conspiracy-theory.html?_r=0
News outlets have noted that a phone call between Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser, and Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak, was monitored, leading to Mr. Flynn’s resignationbecause his account of the conversation did not match the intercept. It is common for the United States to monitor the communications of Russia’s ambassador.
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Where the leak came from of the intercept have no clue, whole damn government seems to have been leaking this past few months with partisans cheering when data harmful to their opponent gets leaked and jeering when that of their standard bearer is publicized.

Personally think that all the recent admins whatever their political stripes have expanded surveillance in the name of terrorism/national security with too little safeguard of a citizen's privacy, whether that be a politician or just Joe Bloggs on the street, and would welcome a tightening up of the rules/procedures.
 
TheFinnFan said:
So it is ok to spy on your political opponent during the campaign lol ...ok!

I quess this is not even a suprise...you remember case Angela Merkel and her tapped phone?

Main point is that dems are denying Obama had nothing to do with this. Obviously thats not true. If that would, though...thatd mean that Obamas administration was working behind his back and went for warrant for tapping not once but twice. :cool:

This will be entertaining.
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Finners, it's already been worked through and it's easy to understand. There are three possible scenarios (if there are more, I'm not aware):

1) Trump is making this up (which is what others, including the DOJ and FBI are saying)
2) There is a wire tap on Trump's phones, which was ordered under warrant by a Federal judge as part of a criminal investigation (which makes sense... but they why would others be denying this)
3) There is a wire tap on Trump's phones, ordered by Obama, with Federal judge(s) as co-conspirators (and now other agencies, who are covering this up by denying the existence of it...)

Whither Occam, and his Razor?
 
Where's Hampton ?

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mezzrow said:
In other words, it's okay. That's what I get from this. To review, the cases against Sessions and Flynn seem to be built on the intelligence obtained via the FISA order, which also leaks info to the press at opportune times via the usual suspects from CIA and NSA.

Special independent prosecutor, get to the bottom of the whole thing, or the republic comes tottering down. That's what I see. This requires resolution via an open examination and a complete explanation to the American public and the world at large.

We're only fifty of so days into this administration. Each day of this makes me more relieved that the election turned out as it did, and you can find several instances of me likening voting for Trump as the equivalent to eating a bug before November. I, like everyone else in the world, was as convinced of a Clinton victory as we all were in 2003 about the existence of the Iraqi chemical weapons that we only finally got to see used decades later in Syria. Shows how much we know.

As I suspected, any GOP winner would be subjected to the full Scott Walker treatment (see Wisconsin state politics) from the DC establishment, but that coupled with their visceral distaste for Trump the man (much of which I share) has thrown things into more vivid relief than I thought possible. Welcome to the new Watergate era, for those who missed it the first time. The attacks will continue until Trump is gone or his opponents are defeated and leave in disgrace.

Your guess as to the outcome is as good as mine.
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Off topic, slightly: Chemical weapons were never the issue with the Iraqi invasion. Loads had been used by Saddam since the 80s and this was widely known prior to 2003 (it came up in the Gulf war w/Bush Sr.). It was nuclear weapons that haven't ever been found--and nuclear weapons were the reason for "selling" the Iraqi invasion to the US people (e.g., recall Bush's State of the Union address to the American people where he said "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa," and many similar quotes by Rice and Cheney). Syria has had a chemical weapons program for decades, funded in part by the former Soviet Union. Syria never needed or used Saddam's chemical weapons, the latter is just speculation, similar to saying the chemical weapons were transferred to Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, or elsewhere. And even if Syria did have some of Iraq's chemical weapons, that's not the issue for how the Iraqi invasion was sold to the US people. When people think "WMD" they tend to think "nuclear" which is what Cheney/Bush wanted them to think (because they mentioned it several times), and this was the threat that was peddled to the US.

On topic: I agree that it is an all-out battle. I suspect that Trump's odious, bullying character isn't going to win him many friends, and lots within the establishment from both sides of the aisle would like to see him go. That way, they'll have Pence, who seems eminently controllable if not marionette-ish.
 
verreauxi said:
Seems strange that Trump would want to draw attention to himself by retweeting a possible, but not proven investigation by several US agencies into his links to Russia. The issue, if it has any legs, seems to be more about Trump/Russia connections, which is what Mark Levin is going on about. But if there was some listening going on in Trump tower, then it was legal to do so, since it was approved, and can only be approved, by a FISA judge. FISA judges are (obviously) not part of the executive branch, but the judicial branch, and they are appointed on 7-year terms appointed by the Chief Justice of the supreme court, so the majority are Republican (you can find this info on wikipedia, as I did). From what I read, the FISA "bar" is pretty high, so that there usually has to be good evidence to obtain a warrant, though, almost all requests are approved. And usually the content of such warrant requests are never made public, or if they are, they are in highly redacted form. So we may never know what the request was actually for, but I am highly confident it wasn't some left-wing conspiracy to smear Trump in the way it is being spun in right-wing (fake) news outlets, but rather to see just how much Russia is playing a role in Trump's election campaign...which is an issue of national security.
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He is teflon, and his wings are made of tougher stuff than wax, but this little ball of fusion we call the sun has some power yet remaining
 
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