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From a conservative Berkeley prof (yes, they exist!):

Most students today, even my left-leaning students (I have quite a few in class) were angry about what had happened, as they resented having their protest hijacked by thugs, and the victory it delivered Milo, who is the Kim Kardashian of political theater. Instead of speaking to 500 people in an auditorium last night, he spoke to perhaps 4 million on TV. I think the net present value of the protest to him, in increased book sales and media market value is at least $1 million—probably considerably more. I’m certain Milo’s publisher, Simon & Schuster, doubled his print run this morning for his forthcoming book. Go Milo! You’re a true marketing genius when you can get the unhinged left to help promote you for free. Most people have to pay a lot for this kind of promotion.

On Sproul Plaza I came across a gaggle of students and campus citizens who had circled around two pathetic specimens from the local Communist book store (Revolution Books) who were trying to justify last night’s events. You can see most of the students in the circle were not having any of it. You can hear an elderly gentleman in the back of the pack in the last half of the clip saying, correctly, “Violence helps Trump.” Don’t expect the left to absorb this lesson any time soon. If this keeps up, Trump will approach a Nixon-level landslide in 2020 (about 40 seconds long).

completely agree that violence is still generally counter-productive.

but i think it's a misreading of the political situation today. Americans didn't identify as partisan in the same way back then. liberal or conservative were not yet synonymous with Democrat or Republican. today, there are very, very few people who haven't already made up their minds, for good, no matter what happens.

and political violence in the US today is actually negligible compared with the 60s and 70s, when cities literally burned to the ground. it just feels that way because of social media. reactions are more spontaneous and intense, but much more fleeting. and we are all much more precious now, right and left. Rod Dreher, for example, is not even half-a-shameful-erection in to the latest panicky dispatch about men in the girls' room before he's grasping for the smelling salts and crying out for safe spaces sorry, the "Benedict Option."

you (as in "one") can find the similar examples of just about everything the left gets accused of carried out by the right, and nobody really cares, who didn't already.

in light of Berkeley, check out the Wisconsin legislature's unshakeable commitment to free speech and unfettered campus discussion of challenging ideas, even those which we may not agree with:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...ersity-stands-by-problem-of-whiteness-course/

or perhaps i'm wrong, and conservatives would have nodded approvingly had the pretend Berkeley anarchists only armed themselves to the teeth with automatic weapons and occupied the entire campus, instead of just shouting and shoving. like they did for these intrepid freedom-fighters!

remember these brave patriots?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
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did any Republicans switch parties because they were so horrified by Dylann Roof's political violence? (since we're going to hold the entire "left" responsible for the same morons in black pyjamas who've shown up to smash things at every demonstration of any kind since Seattle 1999).

did any of you, "the right," in all of your snowflakely "multitudes" change your minds at the polls because you recoiled when Elliot Rodger took his protest against political correctness too far? these things don't affect us politically like they once did.

there's barely any point left in demonstrating lies and hypocrisies, because within the safety of each sides' camps, there aren't enough people who care to meaningfully consider them when presented. on this site, you can see conservatives, without the faintest trace of self-awareness, accusing democrats of "lies" and "obstruction." and no doubt if you try you can find lefty posters on here who've said something equivalent.

as usual, the Republicans were much more prescient and cunning than the Democrats about all this, and they accordingly phased out the strategy of appealing to "swing states" in favour of rallying the tea-partying shock troops. these days it's about mobilizing voters rather than changing their minds. and it's easier when your party has no qualms about cheating.

of course, the Dems have a significant advantage in raw numbers, but there's the electoral college, and, especially, redistricting, and citizens united, and voter suppression, which will all absolutely skyrocket under Trump. it's far-fetched to think that Americans won't have elections in four years time, but a fairly safe bet they'll no longer have truly fair ones. at the state level, by international standards, this is already well established (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/27/14078646/north-carolina-political-science-democracy)
and as usual, Democrats keep on expecting that all they need to do is appeal to Republicans' sense of decency. "if only we could just expose the hypocrisy and cheating and lies, they would surely have to relent! surely!"

anyhow, whatever party you support, it should be pretty depressing that America has got to the point where Trump can have the week he just had, and about 45% of the voting population finds ways to justify acting like none of it even matters.
 
SEE IT: New Yorkers hold mock vigil at Bowling Green for 'massacre' victims as Kellyanne Conway ripped for bogus claim




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FRANK POSILLICODENIS SLATTERY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, February 4, 2017, 1:55 AM

New Yorkers can be a sentimental — and satirical — bunch.

That’s why it was no surprise that an impromptu vigil was held Friday honoring the Bowling Green massacre victims that never were.

“We’re commemorating the victims of Bowling Green,” said Chris Bauer as he stifled a smile. “It never happened so they were never commemorated.”

Bauer and a handful of others stood near the Lower Manhattan park, holding signs and shouting, “We all are Bowling Green, never remember never forget.”

Conway makes up 'Bowling Green massacre' to defend Trump's ban

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A handful of New Yorkers make fun of the so-called "Bowling Green Massacre" with a vigil for the imaginary victims near the Bowling Green subway station in Manhattan.
(FRANK POSILLICO/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS)
Cindy Voorspuy, of Staten Island, stood near the entrance to the Bowling Green subway station carrying a sign that read, “Never remember always forget.”

The group decided to take to the streets to poke fun at presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway’s false claim that Iraqi refugees committed an atrocity that never happened called the “Bowling Green massacre.”

“I bet it’s brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre,” she said on MSNBC’s “Hardball with Chris Matthews” on Thursday.

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President Trump’s adviser Kellyanne Conway falsely claimed that Iraqi refugees committed an atrocity that never happened called the “Bowling Green massacre.”
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Conway explained Friday on Twitter that she was referring to the two “Bowling Green terrorists” arrested in 2011 in Bowling Green, Kentucky for plotting to provide weapons and cash to al-Qaeda fighters overseas.

Kellyanne Conway taunts Chelsea Clinton about November election

President Trump’s trusted adviser cited the fictitious attack in defense of her boss’ immigration ban barring people from several Muslim-majority nations from entering the country.

But the damage was already done.


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Thousands protest Trump's travel ban at Brooklyn Borough Hall

A memorial website urging people to donate to the “Bowling Green Massacre Victims Fund” sprung up almost immediately.

A donate button on the page redirects to the ACLU website.

Kellyanne Conway's faux massacre mocked by city of Bowling Green

Conway was roundly mocked on social media as well.

Bowling Green, Ky., has long had a reputation as a welcoming place for refugees, and the city is home to the International Center of Kentucky, a refugee resettlement agency. In the past 10 years, more than 2,000 refugees resettled in Bowling Green from more than a dozen countries, including some Muslim-majority countries, said the agency’s executive director, Albert Mbanfu.

People in the small college town took to the streets Friday night to hold a fake vigil of their own.

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Dozens in Bowling Green, Ky., also held a vigil, lofting signs that read "Never Remember."
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Dozens of people danced in the streets and lofted signs that read “Never Remember.”

At Home Cafe & Marketplace, the most popular pizza Friday was “the Bowling Green Massacre” pie.

The specialty pizza with blackened chicken, macaroni and cheese and jalapenos was on pace to set a one-day sales record at the restaurant, said owner Josh Poling.

“The minute I heard it last night, I was like, ‘Oh gosh, that’s too good of an opportunity to pass up,”’ he said.

All proceeds from the specialty pizza’s sales will go to the Southern Poverty Law Center, he said.

Manhattan’s tongue-in-cheek tribute Friday drew curious tourists and President Trump supporters who questioned the silly vigil.

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Conway's alternative facts were respected at the Kentucky vigil.
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“We actually don’t know what the hell we’re doing, but neither does Trump or anyone else so,” Bauer responded to questions about the event.

“In this alt-fact world this is something that needs to be commemorated,” he added.

Conway coined the phrase “alternative facts” when defending the White House’s false claims about crowd size at Trump’s inauguration.
 
Do you talk to many Southeast Asians? Let me know when you find someone who lives by the South China Sea and feels more secure now that Trump is making decisions.

What's your basis for concluding that "more countries are taking us seriously?"

Foreign policy isn't primarily about how you or I feel about Obama vs. Trump - it's about how the rest of the world feels about the United States and the people who are leading it.

And so far, in just over a week, Trump has inspired worldwide protests; put all parties in one of the planet's most heated flashpoints on edge in East and Southeast Asia; been characterized as a "threat" by the European Union; personally insulted the leaders of Mexico and Australia, two of the most important economic and strategic partners; prompted a wave of senior State Department officials to resign; and motivated literally millions of British residents to demand he be barred entry to the UK. In this realm, the stakes are much higher than they are on internet football forums. When virtually the entire world is trying to signal something, you can't just dismiss it like when people you don't agree with demonstrate why you're wrong on the internet.



Exactly... I don't really know. Nobody does, not even the State Department. And if you don't understand why this is precisely the problem, you don't understand foreign policy. American allies want consistency. They want a reliable, measured partner that can identify and promote a clear, coherent policy agenda, not spew half-baked threats to dismantle the system underpinning 70 years of global order and security one day, followed by adolescent sabre-rattling the next.

You really don't know but feel entitled to comment anyway?

Are you missing the irony here? Please tell me you aren't. That last paragraph that you want from American foreign policy you got ZERO of for the last eight years but I don't remember you commenting ONCE on how poor his performance was.

I don't know you call that where you live (England, Scotland...South China Sea?) but here in America, we call it hypocrisy.
 
That's the only thing I agree with Trump on. It would have been a disaster, yet ironically not necessarily for the USA.

Hell froze over when he canceled the TPP. How?

The unions, which are SOLIDLY Democratic supported this move and gave him credit for doing so. When have you ever?

Hold on a second, I just saw a pig fly past my window.
 
Define hardcore left

Live in the USA?

Turn on the TV.

The fact that I've got to define it for you indicates you don't know much about American politics.

Please refrain from further comment until you understand the left and leftism in the USA in today's politics.
 
I am not sure that is true - for a start, the "hardcore leftists" didn't want Clinton and they did (or at least Sander's campaign did) have a clear platform of what they wanted to do, and almost all of it would have been of more appeal to the working class / blue collar Democrats than the HRC platform was. Nor was the "hardcore left" that much to blame for the increasing deployment of identity politics, which was why Sanders was heavily criticized by the industry around identity politics during the primaries.

The blame for everything rests with the political class who have been in charge for the party for years, who led them into this defeat and who cleared the decks of rivals so that HRC was the only viable candidate for the 2016-2024 cycle.

I'd agree with most of this but it is the left that trades on identity politics. Gay, Straight, Rich, Poor, Black, White, Female. Those are terms that are allied with the party. Now, you may be absolutely correct that those who supported Sanders tended to lean that way more than those who supported HRC as I didn't pay close attention to the Sanders campaign other than a few of his speeches. I'll trust you on that one.
 
When there is a genuine debate about who should have the right to own a gun or not

Then there is the issue. No-one should, perhaps there would be less shootings if there was no legal means to obtain one?

Different threads for this mate. Go back and look on GOT every time there's a mass shooting. In the USA anyway.
 
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