Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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It was always coming. China and her nine-dash line and the militarisation of one of the worlds greatest trade routes made it inevitable. They are trying to bully every country around them even though the ICJ judged against them, they just ignored it. If China gets its way it will have the pacific trade by the goolies. Anyone keeping up with South China Sea news over the last couple of years will not be surprised.....

Everything you've written is accurate.

But in Southeast Asia, this issue is far more serious than just another partisan talking point. Would anyone here be content to base your national security strategies and projections on the assurances of the Trump administration? Seriously?

He has already proclaimed that he doesn't want to pay to have US forces stationed in Japan and South Korea (it actually costs far less to base them there than in the US) and that it's fine if they develop their own nuclear weapons. Whether serious or literal or both or neither, this is terrifying to the grownups who have to take these problems seriously and literally, and no amount of internet forum-style phallus brandishing and teenage virginal masturbatory fantasies about winning future wars with China from the likes of Steve Bannon will put this sort of toothpaste back in the tube.

The leaders, and citizens, on all sides of the conflict in question, want the US to fulfill a steady, consistent, thoughtful, and reliable role. The Trump administration's half-baked belligerent posturing to run up the political scorecard further still with domestic Chuds and Bubbas achieves the exact opposite effect.

This is why Obama was a vastly more effective and credible presence in the region, despite his rhetorical restraint. "Speak softly and carry a big stick," a Republican once said - not "shriek unhingedly and cast doubt on whether you have the brains, led alone to will, to even wield it."

When states all over the world no longer feel like the US is a country to be taken seriously, they will stop thinking about national security as a collaborative practice bound by norms, and increasingly take matters into their own hands. And this represents an incredibly dangerous diminishing of the system that has kept the world more or less stable since Hitler, not because the US is some uniquely benevolent gift from god, as the neo-Cons insist they believe, but because it has served as a moderating force in world affairs, no matter how many times and how stupidly and counter-productively the US violates its own rules.

If the conservatives/Republicans on here and beyond want to play the "liberals stop hitting yourselves" game when there are protests about domestic issues like executive overreach and the erosion of fair elections and legal norms, that's one thing. It's obviously hypocritical and, in the long-run, it hurts you too, but at least the effects are mostly quarantined.

But in light of what we already know about Trump and especially Bannon and foreign policy, it would be a good time for Americans of all political persuasions to grow up and at the very least demand a more mature approach to global affairs. A middle finger to your domestic betters is one thing, but the rest of the world's reaction likely won't be as meek and harmlessly patronising as the Clinton Democrats.

It always astonishes how parochial and myopic Americans can be about the global resonance of their ridiculous domestic pantomimes - it's as though they're performing their absurd family melodramas front and centre in the living room, facing a full plate-glass bay window, and no matter how much the neighbours gathered outside implore, it never occurs to the inmates that you can see in from the outside the window too.
 
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It is incredible how little they have learned from their defeat, never mind understood about it. For instance I read elsewhere today that HRC is going to get a seven figure sum for a book in which she writes a series of essays based on she thinks about certain quotes.

I mean this but if the Democrats can somehow separate and extricate themselves from the hardcore leftist parts of their party, which admittedly, is a big task considering that's a big part of their demographic and voting block, and come up with something more center or left of center which is more inclusive of a platform, they could become a force again.

I asked this question the other day but where are all the moderate Democrats? Many older people in this country voted Democrat back in the 60's (Kennedy) and it was a party that appealed to the working class. They've totally turned off that demographic and placed their bets on the identity politics to carry them through. They need a platform. They have none. Not one person could articulate the democratic party platform with out it including and identity trait. HRC didn't run on a platform. She ran on "Trump is horrible so you should vote for me." They have no bench either. They don't have one person (at least identifiable right now) who is a legitimate presidential candidate. You can see several posturing already for the job but they won't win. Worse, they've put a lot of the red states who have Democratic senators in play which in possibly other years, would have been fairly safe Democratic wins.

I'm not saying the Republicans have it made. If they screw it up (which they've done so already...hence Donald Trump is president) again, then the country will take the car keys away and give it back to the Dems.

But the rioting, tantrums, lying, and obstructionism (Reps voted on every one of Obama's cabinet picks) that they're betting on now will be nothing but a losing hand. They're practically handing Trump eight years which they certainly don't want but will almost certainly get if they keep this up for a continual four years.
 
Everything you've written is accurate.

But in Southeast Asia, this issue is far more serious than just another partisan talking point. Would anyone here be content to base your national security strategies and projections on the assurances of the Trump administration? Seriously?

He has already proclaimed that he doesn't want to pay to have US forces stationed in Japan and South Korea (it actually costs far less to base them there than in the US) and that it's fine if they develop their own nuclear weapons. Whether serious or literal or both or neither, this is terrifying to the grownups who have to take these problems seriously and literally, and no amount of internet forum-style phallus brandishing and teenage virginal masturbatory fantasies about winning future wars with China from the likes of Steve Bannon will put this sort of toothpaste back in the tube.

The leaders, and citizens, on all sides of the conflict in question, want the US to fulfill a steady, consistent, thoughtful, and reliable role. The Trump administration's half-baked belligerent posturing to run up the political scorecard further still with domestic Chuds and Bubbas achieves the exact opposite effect.

This is why Obama was a vastly more effective and credible presence in the region, despite his rhetorical restraint. "Speak softly and carry a big stick," a Republican once said - not "shriek unhingedly and cast doubt on whether you have the brains, led alone to will, to even wield it."

When states all over the world no longer feel like the US is a country to be taken seriously, they will stop thinking about national security as a collaborative practice bound by norms, and increasingly take matters into their own hands. And this represents an incredibly dangerous diminishing of the system that has kept the world more or less stable since Hitler, not because the US is some uniquely benevolent gift from god, as the neo-Cons insist they believe, but because it has served as a moderating force in world affairs, no matter how many times and how stupidly and counter-productively the US violates its own rules.

If the conservatives/Republicans on here and beyond want to play the "liberals stop hitting yourselves" game when there are protests about domestic issues like executive overreach and the erosion of fair elections and legal norms, that's one thing. It's obviously hypocritical and, in the long-run, it hurts you too, but at least the effects are mostly quarantined.

But in light of what we already know about Trump and especially Bannon and foreign policy, it would be a good time for Americans of all political persuasions to grow up and at the very least demand a more mature approach to global affairs. A middle finger to your domestic betters is one thing, but the rest of the world's reaction likely won't be as meek and harmlessly patronising as the Clinton Democrats.

It always astonishes how parochial and myopic Americans can be about the global resonance of their ridiculous domestic pantomimes - it's as though they're performing their absurd family melodramas front and centre in the living room, facing a full plate-glass bay window, and no matter how much the neighbours gathered outside implore, it never occurs to the inmates that you can see in from the outside the window too.

I stopped reading right here because frankly, I couldn't stop laughing.

There isn't one Obama administration legacy "win" anywhere in the world when it comes to his foreign policy record. It was an unmitigated disaster. You may try to spin that he was somehow a foreign policy maestro but the fact is this. Many of the problems we have in the world today, and particularly in the Middle East, are due to Obama's smart foreign policy. Do your homework. One of the many reasons Trump won was because, as you say directly above, "Americans demanded a more mature approach to global affairs." Obama did not have that mature approach you speak of. No. Obama was not "effective and credible." Anywhere.

No states are not taking the USA seriously. As a matter of fact, now that Trump is in office, more countries are taking us seriously.

And to quite frank, you don't KNOW anything about Trump's and Bannon's foreign policy yet. You're making assumptions. Where Trump is concerned, I'd have thought people would have learned by now not to make assumptions about Trump before the fact.
 
I stopped reading right here because frankly, I couldn't stop laughing.

There isn't one Obama administration legacy "win" anywhere in the world when it comes to his foreign policy record. It was an unmitigated disaster. You may try to spin that he was somehow a foreign policy maestro but the fact is this. Many of the problems we have in the world today, and particularly in the Middle East, are due to Obama's smart foreign policy. Do your homework. One of the many reasons Trump won was because, as you say directly above, "Americans demanded a more mature approach to global affairs." Obama did not have that mature approach you speak of. No. Obama was not "effective and credible." Anywhere.

No states are not taking the USA seriously. As a matter of fact, now that Trump is in office, more countries are taking us seriously.

And to quite frank, you don't KNOW anything about Trump's and Bannon's foreign policy yet. You're making assumptions. Where Trump is concerned, I'd have thought people would have learned by now not to make assumptions about Trump before the fact.

Did Football begin with the Premier League too, Bill?
 
I stopped reading right here because frankly, I couldn't stop laughing.

There isn't one Obama administration legacy "win" anywhere in the world when it comes to his foreign policy record. It was an unmitigated disaster. You may try to spin that he was somehow a foreign policy maestro but the fact is this. Many of the problems we have in the world today, and particularly in the Middle East, are due to Obama's smart foreign policy. Do your homework. One of the many reasons Trump won was because, as you say directly above, "Americans demanded a more mature approach to global affairs." Obama did not have that mature approach you speak of. No. Obama was not "effective and credible." Anywhere.

No states are not taking the USA seriously. As a matter of fact, now that Trump is in office, more countries are taking us seriously.

Do you talk to many Southeast Asians? Let me know when you find someone who lives by the South China Sea and feels more secure now that Trump is making decisions.

What's your basis for concluding that "more countries are taking us seriously?"

Foreign policy isn't primarily about how you or I feel about Obama vs. Trump - it's about how the rest of the world feels about the United States and the people who are leading it.

And so far, in just over a week, Trump has inspired worldwide protests; put all parties in one of the planet's most heated flashpoints on edge in East and Southeast Asia; been characterized as a "threat" by the European Union; personally insulted the leaders of Mexico and Australia, two of the most important economic and strategic partners; prompted a wave of senior State Department officials to resign; and motivated literally millions of British residents to demand he be barred entry to the UK. In this realm, the stakes are much higher than they are on internet football forums. When virtually the entire world is trying to signal something, you can't just dismiss it like when people you don't agree with demonstrate why you're wrong on the internet.

And to quite frank, you don't KNOW anything about Trump's and Bannon's foreign policy yet. You're making assumptions. Where Trump is concerned, I'd have thought people would have learned by now not to make assumptions about Trump before the fact.

Exactly... I don't really know. Nobody does, not even the State Department. And if you don't understand why this is precisely the problem, you don't understand foreign policy. American allies want consistency. They want a reliable, measured partner that can identify and promote a clear, coherent policy agenda, not spew half-baked threats to dismantle the system underpinning 70 years of global order and security one day, followed by adolescent sabre-rattling the next.
 
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I stopped reading right here because frankly, I couldn't stop laughing.

There isn't one Obama administration legacy "win" anywhere in the world when it comes to his foreign policy record. It was an unmitigated disaster. You may try to spin that he was somehow a foreign policy maestro but the fact is this. Many of the problems we have in the world today, and particularly in the Middle East, are due to Obama's smart foreign policy. Do your homework. One of the many reasons Trump won was because, as you say directly above, "Americans demanded a more mature approach to global affairs." Obama did not have that mature approach you speak of. No. Obama was not "effective and credible." Anywhere.

No states are not taking the USA seriously. As a matter of fact, now that Trump is in office, more countries are taking us seriously.

And to quite frank, you don't KNOW anything about Trump's and Bannon's foreign policy yet. You're making assumptions. Where Trump is concerned, I'd have thought people would have learned by now not to make assumptions about Trump before the fact.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/foreign-policy-and-defeating-isis

DONALD J. TRUMP’S VISION
  • Peace through strength will be at the center of our foreign policy. We will achieve a stable, peaceful world with less conflict and more common ground.
  • Advance America’s core national interests, promote regional stability, and produce an easing of tensions in the world. Work with Congress to fully repeal the defense sequester and submit a new budget to rebuild our depleted military.
  • Rebuild our military, enhance and improve intelligence and cyber capabilities.
  • End the current strategy of nation-building and regime change.
  • Ensure our security procedures and refugee policy takes into account the security of the American people.
Read Donald J. Trump’s Plan to Make America Safe and Respected Again, here.

  • Work with our Arab allies and friends in the Middle East in the fight against ISIS.
  • Pursue aggressive joint and coalition military operations to crush and destroy ISIS, international cooperation to cutoff their funding, expand intelligence sharing, and cyberwarfare to disrupt and disable their propaganda and recruiting.
  • Defeat the ideology of radical Islamic terrorism just as we won the Cold War.
  • Establish new screening procedures and enforce our immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States.
  • Suspend, on a temporary basis, immigration from some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism.
  • Establish a Commission on Radical Islam to identify and explain to the American public the core convictions and beliefs of Radical Islam, to identify the warning signs of radicalization, and to expose the networks in our society that support radicalization.
Read Donald J. Trump’s Detailed Plan to Defeat ISIS, here.

Read Mr. Trump's Remarks at the Center for the National Interest, in Manchester, New Hampshire, and in Youngstown, Ohio.

KEY ISSUES
  • ISIS is responsible for the deaths of more than 1,000 people outside of Iraq and Syria. [The New York Times, July 16, 2016]
  • In 2014, ISIS was operating in some seven nations. Today they are fully operational in 18 countries with aspiring branches in six more regions, for a total of 24 branches. [NBC News, Aug. 8, 2016]
  • Iran, the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, is now flush with $150 billion in cash released by the United States – plus another $400 million in ransom. [The Wall Street Journal, Aug. 3, 2016]
CONTRAST WITH HILLARY CLINTON
  • Before the Obama-Clinton Administration took over: Libya was stable, Syria was under control, Egypt was ruled by a secular president and an ally of the United States, Iraq was experiencing a reduction in violence, the group that would become what we now call ISIS was close to being extinguished, and Iran was being choked off by economic sanctions.
    • Fast-forward to today: Libya is in ruins, our ambassador and three other brave Americans are dead, ISIS has gained a new base of operations, Syria is in the midst of a disastrous civil war, ISIS controls large portions of territory, a refugee crisis now threatens Europe and the United States, terrorists have gained a foothold in the Sinai desert, Iraq is in chaos, and ISIS is on the loose. ISIS has spread across the Middle East, and into the West.
  • The Obama-Clinton election-driven timetable for withdrawal from Iraq led directly to the rise of ISIS. [Donald J. Trump Press Release, July 28, 2016]
  • Secretary Hillary Clinton’s forceful advocacy for the intervention in Libya to build a Democracy is regarded as President Obama’s worst mistake. In addition, under Secretary Clinton, regime change in Syria and the overthrowing of Mubarak in Egypt destabilized the world. [Donald J. Trump Press Release, July 28, 2016]
  • Hillary Clinton’s State Department admitted five refugees and one translator who were later charged with terrorism and related crimes. [Donald J. Trump Press Release, Aug. 15, 2016]
 
This is true, though it does tend to ignore the fact that Western politics - and especially the Western media - is replete with figures who blame ethnic / religious groups of people for problems which aren't their fault.
Take the immigration debate over here for instance, in which the leader of a major party is considered laughably out of touch when he suggests that the "problems" in the country aren't down to migrants. Or take Islam, in which large parts of the EU have got themselves into such a tizz that they see nothing wrong in reacting to a series of attacks by demonstrably misogynist Sunni Muslim men by making it illegal for Muslim women to wear certain garments.

Trump did not come from no-where to win, some very clever but also very stupid people spent decades crafting the right conditions for him to do so.

Very true. Trump has perhaps took it to a level not seen by a leader of a Western country in a while, but he's not alone in his views.
 
I mean this but if the Democrats can somehow separate and extricate themselves from the hardcore leftist parts of their party, which admittedly, is a big task considering that's a big part of their demographic and voting block, and come up with something more center or left of center which is more inclusive of a platform, they could become a force again.

I asked this question the other day but where are all the moderate Democrats? Many older people in this country voted Democrat back in the 60's (Kennedy) and it was a party that appealed to the working class. They've totally turned off that demographic and placed their bets on the identity politics to carry them through. They need a platform. They have none. Not one person could articulate the democratic party platform with out it including and identity trait. HRC didn't run on a platform. She ran on "Trump is horrible so you should vote for me." They have no bench either. They don't have one person (at least identifiable right now) who is a legitimate presidential candidate. You can see several posturing already for the job but they won't win. Worse, they've put a lot of the red states who have Democratic senators in play which in possibly other years, would have been fairly safe Democratic wins.

I'm not saying the Republicans have it made. If they screw it up (which they've done so already...hence Donald Trump is president) again, then the country will take the car keys away and give it back to the Dems.

But the rioting, tantrums, lying, and obstructionism (Reps voted on every one of Obama's cabinet picks) that they're betting on now will be nothing but a losing hand. They're practically handing Trump eight years which they certainly don't want but will almost certainly get if they keep this up for a continual four years.
Define hardcore left
 
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