Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Bruce Wayne]

That's the only thing I agree with Trump on. It would have been a disaster, yet ironically not necessarily for the USA.

Why?

 

[Number_25]

And of course, arguably the first thing Trump did was squash the Pacific trade deal that would have brought a degree of unity to the region.

The problem here is that people don't quite understand how serious the PRC are about the SCS and the ROC. The only thing stopping them from excising hard power in the region is the potentiality of economic rebuttal and the threat of military intervention from the US.

 

[tsubaki]

I mean this but if the Democrats can somehow separate and extricate themselves from the hardcore leftist parts of their party, which admittedly, is a big task considering that's a big part of their demographic and voting block, and come up with something more center or left of center which is more inclusive of a platform, they could become a force again.

I asked this question the other day but where are all the moderate Democrats? Many older people in this country voted Democrat back in the 60's (Kennedy) and it was a party that appealed to the working class. They've totally turned off that demographic and placed their bets on the identity politics to carry them through. They need a platform. They have none. Not one person could articulate the democratic party platform with out it including and identity trait. HRC didn't run on a platform. She ran on "Trump is horrible so you should vote for me." They have no bench either. They don't have one person (at least identifiable right now) who is a legitimate presidential candidate. You can see several posturing already for the job but they won't win. Worse, they've put a lot of the red states who have Democratic senators in play which in possibly other years, would have been fairly safe Democratic wins.

I am not sure that is true - for a start, the "hardcore leftists" didn't want Clinton and they did (or at least Sander's campaign did) have a clear platform of what they wanted to do, and almost all of it would have been of more appeal to the working class / blue collar Democrats than the HRC platform was. Nor was the "hardcore left" that much to blame for the increasing deployment of identity politics, which was why Sanders was heavily criticized by the industry around identity politics during the primaries.

The blame for everything rests with the political class who have been in charge for the party for years, who led them into this defeat and who cleared the decks of rivals so that HRC was the only viable candidate for the 2016-2024 cycle.

 

[Kenshin]

When there is a genuine debate about who should have the right to own a gun or not

Then there is the issue. No-one should, perhaps there would be less shootings if there was no legal means to obtain one?

 

[peteblue]

Everything you've written is accurate.

But in Southeast Asia, this issue is far more serious than just another partisan talking point. Would anyone here be content to base your national security strategies and projections on the assurances of the Trump administration? Seriously?

He has already proclaimed that he doesn't want to pay to have US forces stationed in Japan and South Korea (it actually costs far less to base them there than in the US) and that it's fine if they develop their own nuclear weapons. Whether serious or literal or both or neither, this is terrifying to the grownups who have to take these problems seriously and literally, and no amount of internet forum-style phallus brandishing and teenage virginal masturbatory fantasies about winning future wars with China from the likes of Steve Bannon will put this sort of toothpaste back in the tube.

The leaders, and citizens, on all sides of the conflict in question, want the US to fulfill a steady, consistent, thoughtful, and reliable role. The Trump administration's half-baked belligerent posturing to run up the political scorecard further still with domestic Chuds and Bubbas achieves the exact opposite effect.

This is why Obama was a vastly more effective and credible presence in the region, despite his rhetorical restraint. "Speak softly and carry a big stick," a Republican once said - not "shriek unhingedly and cast doubt on whether you have the brains, led alone to will, to even wield it."

When states all over the world no longer feel like the US is a country to be taken seriously, they will stop thinking about national security as a collaborative practice bound by norms, and increasingly take matters into their own hands. And this represents an incredibly dangerous diminishing of the system that has kept the world more or less stable since Hitler, not because the US is some uniquely benevolent gift from god, as the neo-Cons insist they believe, but because it has served as a moderating force in world affairs, no matter how many times and how stupidly and counter-productively the US violates its own rules.

If the conservatives/Republicans on here and beyond want to play the "liberals stop hitting yourselves" game when there are protests about domestic issues like executive overreach and the erosion of fair elections and legal norms, that's one thing. It's obviously hypocritical and, in the long-run, it hurts you too, but at least the effects are mostly quarantined.

But in light of what we already know about Trump and especially Bannon and foreign policy, it would be a good time for Americans of all political persuasions to grow up and at the very least demand a more mature approach to global affairs. A middle finger to your domestic betters is one thing, but the rest of the world's reaction likely won't be as meek and harmlessly patronising as the Clinton Democrats.

It always astonishes how parochial and myopic Americans can be about the global resonance of their ridiculous domestic pantomimes - it's as though they're performing their absurd family melodramas front and centre in the living room, facing a full plate-glass bay window, and no matter how much the neighbours gathered outside implore, it never occurs to the inmates that you can see in from the outside the window too.

The only problem with Obama is that no one believed him regarding military intervention. The day he 'drew his red line' in Syria then backed down emboldened China, Russia etc. Obama lacked credibility of action. Unfortunately, while Trump sounds tough, I'm not sure he has the cold resolve of a Kennedy, Nixon or Bush senior..........

 

[mezzrow]

From a conservative Berkeley prof (yes, they exist!):

Most students today, even my left-leaning students (I have quite a few in class) were angry about what had happened, as they resented having their protest hijacked by thugs, and the victory it delivered Milo, who is the Kim Kardashian of political theater. Instead of speaking to 500 people in an auditorium last night, he spoke to perhaps 4 million on TV. I think the net present value of the protest to him, in increased book sales and media market value is at least $1 million—probably considerably more. I’m certain Milo’s publisher, Simon & Schuster, doubled his print run this morning for his forthcoming book. Go Milo! You’re a true marketing genius when you can get the unhinged left to help promote you for free. Most people have to pay a lot for this kind of promotion.

On Sproul Plaza I came across a gaggle of students and campus citizens who had circled around two pathetic specimens from the local Communist book store (Revolution Books) who were trying to justify last night’s events. You can see most of the students in the circle were not having any of it. You can hear an elderly gentleman in the back of the pack in the last half of the clip saying, correctly, “Violence helps Trump.” Don’t expect the left to absorb this lesson any time soon. If this keeps up, Trump will approach a Nixon-level landslide in 2020 (about 40 seconds long).

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/berkeley-today-after-action-report.php

 

[riddick]

But the rioting, tantrums, lying, and obstructionism (Reps voted on every one of Obama's cabinet picks) that they're betting on now will be nothing but a losing hand. They're practically handing Trump eight years which they certainly don't want but will almost certainly get if they keep this up for a continual four years.

absolute lol

 

[peteblue]

From a conservative Berkeley prof (yes, they exist!):

Most students today, even my left-leaning students (I have quite a few in class) were angry about what had happened, as they resented having their protest hijacked by thugs, and the victory it delivered Milo, who is the Kim Kardashian of political theater. Instead of speaking to 500 people in an auditorium last night, he spoke to perhaps 4 million on TV. I think the net present value of the protest to him, in increased book sales and media market value is at least $1 million—probably considerably more. I’m certain Milo’s publisher, Simon & Schuster, doubled his print run this morning for his forthcoming book. Go Milo! You’re a true marketing genius when you can get the unhinged left to help promote you for free. Most people have to pay a lot for this kind of promotion.

On Sproul Plaza I came across a gaggle of students and campus citizens who had circled around two pathetic specimens from the local Communist book store (Revolution Books) who were trying to justify last night’s events. You can see most of the students in the circle were not having any of it. You can hear an elderly gentleman in the back of the pack in the last half of the clip saying, correctly, “Violence helps Trump.” Don’t expect the left to absorb this lesson any time soon. If this keeps up, Trump will approach a Nixon-level landslide in 2020 (about 40 seconds long).

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/berkeley-today-after-action-report.php

The left never learn that juvenile protests and violence actively push most adults away from them........

 

[Blue 1]

Trump has threatened via Twitter to withdraw funding from Berkeley.

Perhaps, ironically, that will make other educational institutions think twice before booking this preening, vacuous, hate-filled little narcissist to speak.

 

[upthetoffees]

It says their idiots if they make such a moronic comparison. Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions! For God sake get some perspective! Furthermore prior to being given the title of chancellor (he was never elected full stop) which was only the third highest position in Germany at the time he lead a coup to overthrow the democratically elected government and was jailed for it for a pitiful time. While in Jail he wrote his evil, hateful book calling for the murder of millions and once he was given the title of chancellor he authorised a terrorist attack of the Rich Stag (their Parliament) which he blamed on a Norwegian (or Dutch depending on reports) Jew. This is just scratching the surface of all the terrible things Hitler did prior to becoming the Furher of the Rich.

There is no comparison between Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump and only the supremely ignorant would suggest otherwise. It's hyperbole nonsense from the media repeated by idiot celebrities who think they're more important and intelligent then they actually are and parroted by legions of followers who wish to voice their disapproval of Trump and do so in the most shallow possible way. I'm not defending Trump but I won't have the anyone compared to one of the most evil men to ever walk the earth unless it's justified and with Donald Trump it simply isn't.

More than happy to agree to disagree on this one. I will say one point that I didn't hit was that I don't feel they're similar at all on a personal level. One was clearly much more angry than the other, however the rise to power has some shocking similarities in my opinion.

 

[riddick]

Sen. McCain Says Republicans Will Block All Court Nominations If Clinton Wins

Oh, but it's the "DAMN LIBURULS" who are obstructing? Here is a senior Republican saying that, after blocking an open Supreme Court nomination for over 6 months, they would then block it for the NEXT president "if it isn't ours".

But yeah, Republicans are so forthright and completely on the side of whats good for THE PEOPLE of the US of A. Nope, they didn't shut down the government twice, Mitch fn McConnell didn't fillibuster his own bill because Obama agreed with it

And on the mention of 'Well REPUBLICANS voted for every single Obama Cabinet position', the head of the Republicans sent a letter detailing what they wanted in order to accept it. Democrats accepted every single position in that letter. Trump wins, Democrat sent back the same exact letter McConnell sent in and it was completely ignored.

Bububu DEMOCRATS and LIBURUL TEARS!

Jesus fn....

 

[peteblue]

Surely it's not beyond the wit of the American Security Services or the Senate or Congress or a hacker, to delete and deny service to Trumps twitter account...........

 

[mezzrow]

Surely it's not beyond the wit of the American Security Services or the Senate or Congress or a hacker, to delete and deny service to Trumps twitter account...........

Thereby building a position consistent with and based on the denial of first amendment rights to America's elected President. Logic would posit that if his free speech rights cannot be constitutionally protected, no citizen can expect theirs to be protected either.

"...please, please, don't throw me in that briar patch! Anything but that!" - B'rer Donald

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

More than happy to agree to disagree on this one. I will say one point that I didn't hit was that I don't feel they're similar at all on a personal level. One was clearly much more angry than the other, however the rise to power has some shocking similarities in my opinion.

Ok mate, your perfectly entitled to your point of view and I'm happy to agree to disagree with you.

I'll just make one last point and say that in my opinion their rises to power are nothing alike other then the fact that they we're both outsiders taking on the political establishment but it ends there. Trump was fairly and squarely democratically elected to be the president of the United States (possibly due to a flawed system but had Clinton won the same way I doubt anyone would of batted an eyelid and we definitely wouldn't be hearing the outcry against it now). Hitler himself never won an election in his life, and illegally declared himself the Fuhrer.

 

[DanEFC92]

Ok mate, your perfectly entitled to your point of view and I'm happy to agree to disagree with you.

I'll just make one last point and say that in my opinion their rises to power are nothing alike other then the fact that they we're both outsiders taking on the political establishment but it ends there. Trump was fairly and squarely democratically elected to be the president of the United States (possibly due to a flawed system but had Clinton won the same way I doubt anyone would of batted an eyelid and we definitely wouldn't be hearing the outcry against it now). Hitler himself never won an election in his life, and illegally declared himself the Fuhrer.

If Trump lost but won the popular vote he would have absolutely kicked up a stink about it, and so would his supporters. He criticised the system himself on Twitter.