Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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he sounds personally concerned, which is nice!
Have any of these guys even looked at how the American legal system handles cases for your average Joe that isn’t a billionaire?

There are unfortunately many genuine gross miscarriages of justice and yet those get ignored in favor of moaning that a guy who fiddled the books to pay off a porn star was prosecuted and therefore “anyone is at risk of a similar fate”.

They really need to get out more, perhaps talk to a few African Americans.
 
For many years this case, involving alleged bookkeeping issues in recording payments to ‘Stormy Daniels’ to buy her silence, had lingered unprosecuted for so long that the charges, low-level misdemeanors, no longer could be brought because time had expired.

But then along came Alvin Bragg, a Left-wing prosecutor who ran for office on the promise that he would do what prior prosecutors had failed to do, to get Donald Trump. The case was politically motivated from the start. To get Trump at all costs to try to stop his presidential campaign.

Yet to get the case to court, Bragg had to turn the charges into felonies, with longer time limits. So he invented a novel and untested legal theory, maligned even by liberal legal commentators, that the bookkeeping issues were to illegally influence an election – his own 2016 winning election.

There is nothing illegal about paying money to buy silence. It happens every day in court cases and business deals, where money is paid for non-disclosure agreements. And there is nothing illegal about politicians hiding their dirty laundry, happens every campaign. The bookkeeping issue was the hook to turn lawful political activity into a crime.

This case born in politics then turned into a circus. The trial judge, whose family had strong political ties to Democrats, issued ruling after ruling hamstringing Trump’s defense. The prosecution was allowed to play hide and seek with its legal theory of criminality, so much so that Trump never really knew what he was defending until the very end.

Then the judge issued jury instructions that seemed to fly in the face of our jurisprudence, by allowing the jury convict on felony charges without unanimous agreement as to what were the specific illegal acts to influence the election.

If you insist on charging a former president and clear front-runner in a presidential election, then you better be sure those charges are clear, concise, and legitimate. This was certainly not the case here. The jury was drawn from one of the most heavily Democrat jurisdictions in the country. So the likelihood of Trump prevailing always was slim.

A politically motivated prosecution by Democrat prosecutors presided over by a politically connected Democrat judge in a politically Democrat jurisdiction against the likely Republican presidential nominee in an election year. It smells rotten because it was rotten. The whole thing stinks.
 
Don't feel bad for us. The country will be a better place now that this has happened.

I'm an attorney. I had a court appearance this morning in Manhattan on a much less exciting case - at a different courthouse, on the next block. I saw the mob of reporters and TV trucks and police and MAGA wierdos outside, from about forty feet away. I have to travel through there on my way back to Brooklyn tonight.

I couldn't be happier.

I refuse to be scared by these people. Like most Americans I have MAGA in my family. I used to dread seeing them. Now I'm giddy with anticipation. I'm looking forward to hanging him around their necks. Here's your hero. You must be very proud.

that's the exciting part, whether you are opposed to him or support him--the idea that our justice system actually squeaky rusty kinda works and people don't simply get a hall pass if they have enough money. I'm sure this illusion of justice will evaporate at some point because it's the court of public opinion that holds sway, but it's a nice moment to be in right now.
 
This, of all the reprehensible things he did, this hit me the hardest, maybe because I was a new dad at the time.
To separate really young kids from parents and cage them only to deport their parents and lose any contact info is beyond evil.
And Melania wearing that “I really don’t care, do you?” jacket when returning from visiting the kids - it made me speechless with rage.
 
Think you have forgotten about Georgia

One of my sons lives in Augusta Georgia. Again I believe it’s now a Democrat state and that the presiding Judge was elected in Fulton County which includes Atlanta and is overwhelmingly Democratic. I’m not suggesting that that particular judge has any political axe to grind as there are not many reports or comments seen over here in this respect. No doubt the vast majority of Judges in the USA take an impartial view, but that doesn’t seem to be the case in this New York episode…..
 
Have any of these guys even looked at how the American legal system handles cases for your average Joe that isn’t a billionaire?

There are unfortunately many genuine gross miscarriages of justice and yet those get ignored in favor of moaning that a guy who fiddled the books to pay off a porn star was prosecuted and therefore “anyone is at risk of a similar fate”.

They really need to get out more, perhaps talk to a few African Americans.
Over 25 years ago I was at an arraignment hearing in Norfolk VA. (stupid weed charge, 21 at the time). There was a black guy there who had been charged with stealing fruit from a stall on Virginia Beach. His arraignment had been set for the previous week but a hurricane roled in and Virginia Beach was evacuated. He was staying in temporary accommodation and missed his arraignment hearing. Because it was only the arraignment, he had no court appointed lawyer. Because he missed his original hearing the judge gave him an automatic 30 day sentence starting immediately. He didn't look in the slightest bit surprised.
 
One of my sons lives in Augusta Georgia. Again I believe it’s now a Democrat state and that the presiding Judge was elected in Fulton County which includes Atlanta and is overwhelmingly Democratic. I’m not suggesting that that particular judge has any political axe to grind as there are not many reports or comments seen over here in this respect. No doubt the vast majority of Judges in the USA take an impartial view, but that doesn’t seem to be the case in this New York episode…..
Why? because he made a $35 contribution 4 years ago?
 
Could be the politicisation of the courts or the fact that Trump will play it so he picks up more votes. It’s going to be interesting how it pans out ….

this is such a weird narrative to me--the "politicization of our courts"--because not only has Trump claimed all along he would do this exact thing, but now that he's been tried for something we all have known he's done since before the 2016 election we're supposed to believe that state of NY prosecution is done under the finger of Biden?

this sort of reason is utterly baffling to me--it's beyond stupid, it's an intentional repression of knowledge to accept a suitable opinion. it's this sort of thing that makes me more worried about how f*cked we are than the actual criminal things that Trump gets away with.
 
this is such a weird narrative to me--the "politicization of our courts"--because not only has Trump claimed all along he would do this exact thing, but now that he's been tried for something we all have known he's done since before the 2016 election we're supposed to believe that state of NY prosecution is done under the finger of Biden?

this sort of reason is utterly baffling to me--it's beyond stupid, it's an intentional repression of knowledge to accept a suitable opinion. it's this sort of thing that makes me more worried about how f*cked we are than the actual criminal things that Trump gets away with.

My apology, I linked a 2016 story for a hush money payment to a different woman.

And corrected, the Daniels story was election hush money but the story came out after the election.
 
this is such a weird narrative to me--the "politicization of our courts"--because not only has Trump claimed all along he would do this exact thing, but now that he's been tried for something we all have known he's done since before the 2016 election we're supposed to believe that state of NY prosecution is done under the finger of Biden?

this sort of reason is utterly baffling to me--it's beyond stupid, it's an intentional repression of knowledge to accept a suitable opinion. it's this sort of thing that makes me more worried about how f*cked we are than the actual criminal things that Trump gets away with.
Trumps own DOJ sent Cohen down for his handling of the exact same event.
 
I'm repeating myself but the red states' presumptive decisions to no-charge, and presumptive not-guilty verdicts if tried, would be every bit as nakedly partisan and tribalistic.

Even more so, when you consider that a grand jury composed of ordinary citizens ultimately decided to charge Trump, and a jury of ordinary citizens weighed the evidence and found him guilty. Now, the old line is that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich,* and there is some truth to that. But it is certainly not true that a trial jury so easily convicts. Getting twelve ordinary citizens to unanimously agree that the prosecution proved each and every facet of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt - a threshold of certainty that you can roughly describe as 95%+ sure - and all twelve are needed for a conviction, 11-1 is a mistrial - is as good a hand-brake as you can get against government tyranny and politically motivated prosecutions.

the evidence was strong enough that most criminal defendants would have pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which the prosecution would have offered in exchange for not having to try the case. He chose not to go that route. He wasn't obliged to. He had every right to seek total exoneration in court. He did. He had experienced and competent counsel. He had the opportunity to call whomever he wanted to call as witnesses and to present whatever evidence he chose to present. He had the opportunity to testify on his own behalf if he so chose, but the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, made applicable to state matters by the Fourteenth Amendment, forbids the prosecution from forcing him to incriminate himself, so he could not be compelled to testify. I don't do criminal trial work, but I do hearings of quasi-criminal matters. No attorney in his right mind EVER has his client testify because if the defendant testifies he can be cross-examined under oath on his testimony,. Since the prosecution has the burden of proof- the defense does not have to prove innocence, the defense does not have to affirmatively prove anything, it can offer evidence of a counter-narrative that defeats the prosecution's theory of the case if that's the best way to sow doubt in the jury's minds, but it's the prosecution that has to prove X, Y, and Z in order to sustain the conviction - so the defense has no duty, and the defendant has the right to decline from, putting the defendant on the stand to give the prosecution the rope with which to hang him. Despite the many reasons not to do so - and i would have told him not to, as his counsel- he had the right to get up there and tell his own story, subject to opening the door to cross-examination, if he so chose.

He chose to go to trial. Ordinary people heard the evidence. Some had voted for Trump. They convicted him. The system worked.

I'd be interested to know what should have been done differently.

Don’t shoot the messenger. Just my observations from this side of the pond…..
 
A few years ago there was a really good BBC documentary, "People's Century" where they interviewed various people, ordinary citizens, who lived through seismic historical events.

I remember one woman saying that she went to a Nazi rally and for the life of her couldn't see what the appeal of Hitler was to her friends and classmates. As hard as she tried, she just couldn't see it. The voice, the histrionics and the in-plain sight desire to go to war.

Today my greatest nightmare is that I will one day have to appear on such a documentary and try to explain why people felt the need to defend Trump.

Like, where do you start? He's tall... I don't even think that's much of a quality. But that's all I've got.
He's quite good at farting apparently.

And criming.
 
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