Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[peteblue]

Perhaps it might be viewed as such by people outside this country, and many in this country, who don't understand how the legal process and Grand Juries work in the US.

As Trump himself stated, he could shoot someone in the middle of NY's 5th Avenue and he'd not lose a voter. While only slightly hyperbolic it rings true in the main. So, honestly, none of us should really care that much what his staunchest supporters think - at least in terms of the crimes he's accused of and how to apply the law.

Indeed, it’s just a slightly different viewpoint. Not a defence in anyway, just how things look from afar…...

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Perhaps it might be viewed as such by people outside this country, and many in this country, who don't understand how the legal process and Grand Juries work in the US.

As Trump himself stated, he could shoot someone in the middle of NY's 5th Avenue and he'd not lose a voter. While only slightly hyperbolic it rings true in the main. So, honestly, none of us should really care that much what his staunchest supporters think - at least in terms of the crimes he's accused of and how to apply the law.

I honestly don't see this statement as hyperbolic anymore.

I blame right wing media since the age of Rush Limbaugh. He started it (at least mainstreaming it) and Fox News took it from there.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Perhaps it might be viewed as such by people outside this country, and many in this country, who don't understand how the legal process and Grand Juries work in the US.

As Trump himself stated, he could shoot someone in the middle of NY's 5th Avenue and he'd not lose a voter. While only slightly hyperbolic it rings true in the main. So, honestly, none of us should really care that much what his staunchest supporters think - at least in terms of the crimes he's accused of and how to apply the law.

Is he being so blindly supported because he is not a politician?

Any change from the political status quo being preferable to more of the same?

Someone behind 'make america groovy again' clearly knows how to appeal to those feeling screwed by a system seeming to perpetuate itself.

Maybe, when it's all been bought and sold, there's simply no water left in the well to hoard away and the elixir of life has been throttled.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Indeed, it’s just a slightly different viewpoint. Not a defence in anyway, just how things look from afar…...

Not for me TBH and don’t think it’s the same for many Brits. The guy’s been freewheeling for decades. Problem is now, people have a reason to put him away.

 

[BlueTX]

I honestly don't see this statement as hyperbolic anymore.

I blame right wing media since the age of Rush Limbaugh. He started it (at least mainstreaming it) and Fox News took it from there.

Fair enough. There are Trump Twitterati now openly advocating for Civil War.

 

[Rita_Poon]

If people see this as political theater overseas, that's naive. Western societies typically don't see such overt disrespect for a country's laws and norms. Well, not for a while anyway. But I digress

Not a bit of it, a snake oil salesman that is fittingly also a snake. mussolini, hitler, pot, amin, pinochet, mugabe. herr trump is utterly despised.

 

[BlueTX]

Is he being so blindly supported because he is not a politician?

In many respects, yes.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Fair enough. There are Trump Twitterati now openly advocating for Civil War.

That's what I'm saying. Trump literally COULD shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose a single voter

And yes, I do think that the collective freebasing of right wing echo-chamber "news", where the "liberals" are "the enemy" for decades has put this country to the precipice of some form of civil war. If/when Trump is convicted, there are going to be riots everywhere. And then we'll see what the armed forces does about it.

As inconceivable as it is, the numbers that support Trump, even today, is downright terrifying. And it means there are plenty of people in high places that support him.

 

[Rita_Poon]

In many respects, yes.

and the public wants what the public gets.....

 

[BlueTX]

And yes, I do think that the collective freebasing of right wing echo-chamber "news", where the "liberals" are "the enemy" for decades has put this country to the precipice of some form of civil war.

We are in complete agreement about this.

 

[Rita_Poon]

That's what I'm saying. Trump literally COULD shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose a single voter

And yes, I do think that the collective freebasing of right wing echo-chamber "news", where the "liberals" are "the enemy" for decades has put this country to the precipice of some form of civil war. If/when Trump is convicted, there are going to be riots everywhere. And then we'll see what the armed forces does about it.

As inconceivable as it is, the numbers that support Trump, even today, is downright terrifying. And it means there are plenty of people in high places that support him.

I was very surprised during the capitol riot that those storming congress were not cut in half, with numerous volleys of police bullets. Had they been George Floyd protestors I suspected they would have been. When the trump maniacs decide to riot and burn the neighbourhoods I hope that kid with the illegal gun that executed two people is on duty, justice needs more of his type.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I was very surprised during the capitol riot that those storming congress were not cut in half, with numerous volleys of police bullets. Had they been George Floyd protestors I suspected they would have been. When the trump maniacs decide to riot and burn the neighbourhoods I hope that kid with the illegal gun that executed two people is on duty, justice needs more of his type.

Exactly

The fact that Jan 6 was allowed to happen, and that the casualties were what they were (relatively small) - this spoke volumes more than anything.

 

[Chach]

What's the actual argument for a Trump pardon being good for the country? Just so Republicans won't throw a fit? If that's their position, "Let us do whatever we want, or else" then they've become an actual terrorist entity.

I think the conclusion to your premise here is a large part of the problem with the current political polarisation, it relies on a cartoon of conservatives as extremists while handwaving away any criticism of analogous behaviour on the left creating a cycle of radicalisation that feeds both ways.
In reality extremism on both sides is minimal and human nature (moral preferences and the instinct to be tribal) is forcing people into political positions that are detrimental to the fabric of society. A circuit breaker is required or it will continue to deteriorate,
Trump is clearly mentally ill, that on it's own is a substantial argument.

The second is Germany in 1923, which I think we can all agree also didn't end well.

I don't know enough about the American civil war but can you say more about why you think this is analogous?
I don't want to misrepresent your argument but without sufficient context it appears you think attempting to completely eradicate your political enemies is the only tenable solution which I am sure we can agree never works.

 

[Chach]

Would you not generally wait for a guilty verdict?

While you can't stop the current prosecutions as they are already in train, I think it would be analogous to declaring him unfit for trial due to diminished responsibility .

While I wouldn't typically justify the use a persons mental illness as a political weapon, Trump has demonstrated himself an existential threat that requires a bi-partisan solution.
It also creates the platform that you are refusing to engage with the insanity and highlight his behaviour for what it is.
There's nothing Machiavellian going in, he's not playing 4D chess, he's just a malignant narcissist whose actions are pure cope.

 

[dublinbluenose]

do you think he will squeal to save his own bacon?

Probably