Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Moomin]

“This is highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me.”

Absolutely roaring at this. lol

At the same time he used his mind powers to declassify them.

What about Hunter's Laptop though!!!

 

[Huyton Layne]

Any chance that judge gets removed from the case? Given that she's Trump appointed.

 

[LostLegend]

Wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her either, but respect the game here

 

[Alan Whittle]

Nope. Unless I misspoke my point throughout this thread has been that it's a politically motivated indictment. That a President has fairly broad powers on declassification and also what he holds onto after office. That what Trump has done here is similar to other former presidents. None of these Presidents are being indicted for their refusal to give back documents. Anyone thinking that every former President immediately gave the contested documents back are wrong. There is a process, a process that can usually take years. Some may still be ongoing.

How does this, in any way whatsoever, address your assertion that ; "Anyone saying they know the law for sure on this case is lying." So that must include you, yet you continue to use Precedent to justify Trump's actions, despite the fact that no other President who retained classified documents, wilfully or otherwise, claimed to have personally declassified them when asked to return them. The "fairly broad powers" of an outgoing President don't include that, do they?

 

[verreauxi]

Wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her either, but respect the game here lol

She's not really helping here, but she has a personal stake in all this so I guess you have to expect it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

You really have to wonder how much classified stuff he just casually chatted about to his golf buddies over dinner and how manymof the wait staff at Mar-a-Lago are foreign agents.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

How does this, in any way whatsoever, address your assertion that ; "Anyone saying they know the law for sure on this case is lying." So that must include you, yet you continue to use Precedent to justify Trump's actions, despite the fact that no other President who retained classified documents, wilfully or otherwise, claimed to have personally declassified them when asked to return them. The "fairly broad powers" of an outgoing President don't include that, do they?

Easy. The precedent being that in each and every case so far the authorities have went fairly soft on former Presidents when going after documents a former President, rightly or wrongly, believes are theirs. The declassification process is quite unclear, but it appears a President has a lot of leeway in deciding what to declassify and how he does it. Yet in this case the DoJ is going full hardball. That is the unprecedented part.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Alan Whittle]

Easy. The precedent being that in each and every case so far the authorities have went fairly soft on former Presidents when going after documents a former President, rightly or wrongly, believes are theirs. The declassification process is quite unclear, but it appears a President has a lot of leeway in deciding what to declassify and how he does it. Yet in this case the DoJ is going full hardball. That is the unprecedented part.

I think the key points in your post here are “rightly or wrongly”.
Could you give some examples of how the “declassification process is quite unclear”
Could you explain the “leeway” that a former President has in deciding which classified documents to declassify and how he does it. What are the constricting factors? What are the various ways that a former President can declassify classified documents?
I mean, there must be some established regulatory procedures on these points and you seem to be very familiar with them. I’d be genuinely interested to know.

 

[Wat Tyler]

He is toast

 

[LinekersLegs]

Lol that Trump's attorney is called Jim Trusty. Reverse nominative determinism at work

Trust y is under the bus!

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Yes, J6 was one of the most idiotic things a US President has ever done, and his refusal to pardon the likes of Julian Assange was an atrociously bad decision. I've said previously Trump was a mediocre President first time around.

You believe that J6 was merely "idiotic"? A word that might be used for mere policy decisions?

Most of us have much stronger words for J6

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

whoever the chick is that he's talking to can't believe Barr is essentially like, there's no nuance here. It's as black and white a case as there is

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think the key points in your post here are “rightly or wrongly”.
Could you give some examples of how the “declassification process is quite unclear”
Could you explain the “leeway” that a former President has in deciding which classified documents to declassify and how he does it. What are the constricting factors? What are the various ways that a former President can declassify classified documents?
I mean, there must be some established regulatory procedures on these points and you seem to be very familiar with them. I’d be genuinely interested to know.

A former president cannot declassify anything. A currently sitting presdient can but there are well documented procedures to do so.

Can a President Declassify Documents and How Does the Process Work?

Former President Donald Trump claimed this week that he had the authority to declassify documents just by thinking about it. While presidents have broad authority to declassify material, but there is a detailed process unlike what Trump described. Here's a look at how declassification works.

www.nbcwashington.com

There's also a detailed process for declassification with rules laid out under executive order. Typically, if a president wants to declassify something, he checks with the agency in charge, which has broad say in whether the information becomes public, Gerstell said. If documents are declassified, there’s usually a painstaking process of blacking out what information still stays secret. “It’s not a question of a concept being declassified, or boxes of documents. It’s a word by word determination,” he said.

The declassification order must be memorialized and any agencies that are affected have to be notified, Moss said. The individual documents then have to be re-marked to show they’re no longer considered classified.“It’s not clear what Jedi-like lawyers said that you could declassify things with a thought, but the courts are unlikely to embrace that claim,” said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor who was a Republican witness during the first impeachment proceedings against Trump in 2019.

The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents seized from his Florida home.