Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

Status
Not open for further replies.
Releae of the affidavit


That looks to me like a bit of legal trickery intended to establish PC. If you don't know what's in the boxes, you claim possession of information alleging that the contents are likely improperly stored, likely things the person should not have or both, in order to establish the strongest possible case for going and getting them.
 


Not to defend Trump, but it is really inconceivable that a head of state would ever know the identities of confidential informants (certainly at the level they are talking about in that piece) and especially wouldn't be able to obtain and keep for months lists of their identities.

If it has happened, it would be much more likely to be one or more lower level functionaries who had been turned and betrayed their country, just as it was during the Cold War and at various points since.
 
Not to defend Trump, but it is really inconceivable that a head of state would ever know the identities of confidential informants (certainly at the level they are talking about in that piece) and especially wouldn't be able to obtain and keep for months lists of their identities.

If it has happened, it would be much more likely to be one or more lower level functionaries who had been turned and betrayed their country, just as it was during the Cold War and at various points since.
If he gave away info that would reveal the means by which the top secret intelligence was gathered, ie sufficent detail for the Russians to identify the person in Putins inner circle who was feeding Russian secrets to an American asset, then following the breadcrumbs wouldn’t be hard.

It seems very likely that the US had a mole very close to Putin in the first days of the Ukraine invasion. Biden seemed to be needling and demoralizing Russia by announcing how the Allie’s were going to counter Putins next move before it happened. All it would have taken was for the documents in Trumps boxes, say, to reveal that the meetups, drops, or signal intercepts were taking place in a certain manner, or that the Russian mole was X person, it’s short work to identify the American ssset and he’s dead within the hour.
 

Still had them in his possession and obstructed their retrieval, even if what he claims is true.

Not to defend Trump, but it is really inconceivable that a head of state would ever know the identities of confidential informants (certainly at the level they are talking about in that piece) and especially wouldn't be able to obtain and keep for months lists of their identities.

If it has happened, it would be much more likely to be one or more lower level functionaries who had been turned and betrayed their country, just as it was during the Cold War and at various points since.
It's difficult to make decisions on the basis of information received from CIs without knowing who they are. Their identity says a lot about the potential reliability of the information received.

In general, a president is on a need-to-know basis with respect to CI identities. The top brass at CIA knows who the CIs are. The president does not, unless information from one crosses his desk in a way where he's expected to make a substantive decision. Now, if you want to argue that there is no universe where a career employee like Haspel puts that information on paper (especially when dealing with someone who doesn't read the daily briefing), I'm not inclined to dispute that. Pompeo might have, but the generals in the upper echelon of the White House at the time would have had a conniption, so I can't see that either.
 
It's difficult to make decisions on the basis of information received from CIs without knowing who they are. Their identity says a lot about the potential reliability of the information received.

In general, a president is on a need-to-know basis with respect to CI identities. The top brass at CIA knows who the CIs are. The president does not, unless information from one crosses his desk in a way where he's expected to make a substantive decision. Now, if you want to argue that there is no universe where a career employee like Haspel puts that information on paper (especially when dealing with someone who doesn't read the daily briefing), I'm not inclined to dispute that. Pompeo might have, but the generals in the upper echelon of the White House at the time would have had a conniption, so I can't see that either.

I could see him being told the odd one or two (though even then, its him we are talking about so I have my doubts) - but not so many that he could keep a list and for enough of them to be bumped off to make a noticeable difference.
 
I could see him being told the odd one or two (though even then, its him we are talking about so I have my doubts) - but not so many that he could keep a list and for enough of them to be bumped off to make a noticeable difference.
I don't think he would likely be able to remember their names long enough to write them down afterward.

What was taken, if accessed by foreign spies, might have contained enough information for them to identify potential leaks, run counterintelligence operations and silence our assets. Without knowing what is actually in the boxes, I can't give you an evaluation on whether or not Trump likely was the source of the leaks, might have been the source of some of the leaks, or almost certainly wasn't the source of any of them. What is clear is that he didn't care enough about the lives he was taking into his own hands to take steps. It's willful failure to ensure that the documents were kept in a way such that he could not possibly be putting anyone at risk. It's different from the whole Plame mess (unless it can be proven that Trump is in fact a Russian agent), in that this represents negligence rather than willful misconduct in the pursuit of a political agenda.

IMO it's enough to justify barring him from ever holding office again, at a minimum. How is the CIA supposed to recruit sources of intelligence if the person they report to doesn't care if they live or die? Whether he ends up in jail or not is a question for prosecutors and a jury, but any rational Congress would act.
 
Wait, wasnt it planted? The more he talks the better

He’s fundamentally incapable of getting out of his own way. If he were, he’d almost certainly still be president. The fact that he’s been laying low down in Mar a Lago, unable to tweet, etc. is probably a big part of why he’d seen an uptick in popularity prior to all this.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top