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Thanks for backing up my point
We're seeing two different points from the same evidence. This is the crux of the partisan issue. Your point, the anti-Trump stance, will typically use ad hominems as the main argument (a recognised logical fallacy).

Fact: Trump receives a lot of public support by way of social media views/likes/comments. Biden does not.

My interpretation: it appears Trump is more popular than Biden if we assume youtube-feedback is a microcosm of the nation at large (and just like how polls work, there's no reason why not). Very popular, and further proving this by gaining 13m more votes than 2016, yet the seemingly unpopular Biden still won the election...this may ring alarm bells for some. What's the counter-argument?

Your counter-argument: conservatives are thick.


Not even remotely close to the level of worship surrounding Trump and you know it.
I know it? No, i don't know it. Because I know this sort of stuff:

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize as soon as he came into office. He then bombed and killed thousands of innocent Arab civilians, and aggressively went after whistleblowers, all without facing mass calls to be stripped of this award. This suggests he was untouchable, protected by being an idol who was worshipped.

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Trump fans worship their man too. But it's definitely not accurate to say the other side don't do the same sort of thing.
 
Think you’re making the same mistake that many on the left in the Uk made with Corbyn. Thinking that social media engagement will directly translate or correlate to votes.

Corbyn was an immensely popular candidate online but lost twice. Majority of voters pay no interest in politics on social media.

That's why i backed up the social-media clout with him also receiving 13m more votes than 2016, whereas Corbyn's actually lost almost 3m votes from 2017 to 2019.

I recognise of course that it's not a popular Biden/Harris who beat a genuinely popular Trump: the anti-Trump sentiment won the election. Anyone But Trump was on the ticket, fuelled by 5 years of incessant aggressive anti-Trump media mania. This proved more popular than the man himself.

That's my counter-argument to how Biden appears so unpopular yet still won. Let's hope the answer isn't fraud...as then who knows what will happen.
 
That's why i backed up the social-media clout with him also receiving 13m more votes than 2016, whereas Corbyn's actually lost almost 3m votes from 2017 to 2019.

I recognise of course that it's not a popular Biden/Harris who beat a genuinely popular Trump: the anti-Trump sentiment won the election. Anyone But Trump was on the ticket, fuelled by 5 years of incessant aggressive anti-Trump media mania. This proved more popular than the man himself.

That's my counter-argument to how Biden appears so unpopular yet still won. Let's hope the answer isn't fraud...as then who knows what will happen.

It is a crap counter-argument, mind.

I mean, for a start Biden doesn't appear to be so unpopular - he is more popular than Trump ever was (Trump never got above 50%). Yes, there were a lot of anti-Trump votes but when Trump was polling 40-44% in the popularity stakes for almost all his time in office, had reduced the US to a laughing stock and overseen a disaster in his own country unprecedented in recent history this should surprise no-one; the man was (and is) hated for what he did.

As for fraud, all I would point out there is that almost all the illegal fraud so far detected was pro-Trump, and the legal fraud (messing with postal ballots, redistricting, voter suppression etc) was in his favour as well (and of course this is ongoing). Would anyone be that surprised if it turned out his increase in vote was fraudulent as well? It seems far more likely a theory than a Democrat fraud that led to people voting Dem in the Presidency but GOP in the other races does. Trump has always bitched loudest about things he is himself guilty of, after all.

Finally with regards to the media, it takes an awful lot of blindness to ignore the fact that Trump had two major networks (Fox and Sinclair) and a growing zoo of lesser ones (OANN etc) pushing out his crap, as well as a social media that was only too happy to monetize his craziness and sod the rest. Yes, CNN et al were biased, and yes the likes of Cuomo or Scarborough shouldn't be on any kind of news network but at no point did they ever disappear up Biden's behind in the way that certain people at Fox did on Trump's behalf.
 
It is a crap counter-argument, mind.

I mean, for a start Biden doesn't appear to be so unpopular - he is more popular than Trump ever was (Trump never got above 50%). Yes, there were a lot of anti-Trump votes but when Trump was polling 40-44% in the popularity stakes for almost all his time in office, had reduced the US to a laughing stock and overseen a disaster in his own country unprecedented in recent history this should surprise no-one; the man was (and is) hated for what he did.

As for fraud, all I would point out there is that almost all the illegal fraud so far detected was pro-Trump, and the legal fraud (messing with postal ballots, redistricting, voter suppression etc) was in his favour as well (and of course this is ongoing). Would anyone be that surprised if it turned out his increase in vote was fraudulent as well? It seems far more likely a theory than a Democrat fraud that led to people voting Dem in the Presidency but GOP in the other races does. Trump has always bitched loudest about things he is himself guilty of, after all.

Finally with regards to the media, it takes an awful lot of blindness to ignore the fact that Trump had two major networks (Fox and Sinclair) and a growing zoo of lesser ones (OANN etc) pushing out his crap, as well as a social media that was only too happy to monetize his craziness and sod the rest. Yes, CNN et al were biased, and yes the likes of Cuomo or Scarborough shouldn't be on any kind of news network but at no point did they ever disappear up Biden's behind in the way that certain people at Fox did on Trump's behalf.
Your entire post is a solid counter.

Tho' you must admit the media are soft-balling Biden, Harris and Psaki. It's an undeniable love-in.

Regarding the fraud: i wouldn't rule it out either that the Maricopa audit actually finds fraudulent Trump votes. I know actual Trump fans are blinkered and would never consider this...let's see what happens. I support the act of a forensic audit being done, should've been done before Jan 6th. I expect however that things are so ultra-partisan that if the audit reveals a significant number of fraudulent Biden votes, it will be dismissed by the wider media as "biased flawed audit", and the courts (if it gets that far) will judge it as "moot". So it will drag on.

Considering the Dems dragged on their own accusations of fraud at the 2016 election for three years, it's fair to accept the Trump-side will respond in kind. The 2022 mid-terms are bound to have fraud as the dominant theme if the AZ-audit really does reveal anything.

Maybe the best thing to hope for is that the audit reveals nothing: merely an accurate fair original count. As the audit is managed by ostensibly Republican voters, maybe such a result will calm things down, so 2022/24-candidates can campaign on normal stuff.
 
Sod it ill give you a proper response

We're seeing two different points from the same evidence. This is the crux of the partisan issue. Your point, the anti-Trump stance, will typically use ad hominems as the main argument (a recognised logical fallacy).

If someone believes the election was rigged and uses screencaps of YouTube likes to seriously support this theory then they 100% deserve to be called dangerously thick. In-fact scrap that… anyone claiming its still rigged for any reason deserves to be called dangerously thick given the complete lack of any evidence and the fact no court (even ones with republican judges) would give Trumps lawyers the time of day.

You also seem to have forgotten that Trump is the most polarising president in recent history, for all the worshippers he has he is also absolutely loathed in equal numbers. Similar to how Man United are very popular but also very unpopular. Biden doesn’t need to have a diehard fanbase like Trump, he just needs to not be Trump to gain a huge chunk of the votes.

Then there is the fact that Trump has the worst approval rating of any recent president by a sizeable amount. Also there was the midterms in 2018 which showed a swing towards the democrats… why ignore all these factors which show that lots of people were not happy with him and instead focus on very specific social media likes/dislikes to support the narrative that its hard to believe he lost ?

Speaking of social media… Twitter is overwhelmingly anti Trump, the amount of negative trump tweets to pro trump tweets is massively lopsided, conservatives are completely outnumbered as they are on reddit. Yet im not about to claim that this is a sign that everyone in the US hates Trump as social media is not an accurate reflection of society as a whole. America has been more or less split down the middle between conservative and liberals for yonks, the idea that all of a sudden one of the most divisive presidents managed to flip that long standing narrative in their favour is delusional.

My interpretation: it appears Trump is more popular than Biden if we assume youtube-feedback is a microcosm of the nation at large (and just like how polls work, there's no reason why not). Very popular, and further proving this by gaining 13m more votes than 2016, yet the seemingly unpopular Biden still won the election...this may ring alarm bells for some. What's the counter-argument?

Your counter-argument: conservatives are thick.

That wasn’t my counter argument though was it, my counter argument was that the left don’t tend to worship politicians the way the right currently worship Trump and also that you don’t need to be a fan of someone to vote for them.

I know it? No, i don't know it. Because I know this sort of stuff:

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize as soon as he came into office. He then bombed and killed thousands of innocent Arab civilians, and aggressively went after whistleblowers, all without facing mass calls to be stripped of this award. This suggests he was untouchable, protected by being an idol who was worshipped.

How is one organisation giving him an award proof that the left worshipped him ? It’s disingenuous to suggest he was worshipped to the same level Trump is. Yes Obama was well liked by large portions of the left and will have had some people who worshipped him but it never got to full blown cult like levels the way it has with Trump.

Do you think there would have been an insurrection if Obama had lost to Mitt Romney in 2012 ? Do you think Obama supporters would have got involved in a movement like Qanon and spread the belief that Obama was here to save us from paedophile deep state Republicans ?

Why is grift culture so prevalent on the right relative to the left ? Because it relies heavily on people who are balls deep in partisanship, people who love their side so much they will hand over their hard earned money just so they can hear people say what they want to hear.

Trump was a phenom in terms of connecting with his base, look at the level of loyalty they have for him, its unrivalled. He is worshipped by his followers/base to a level I've never seen before.
 
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when you're back from swinging i'm interested in how you think Trump would have, in time, caused millions of deaths?

He pushed the vaccine development, so those deaths wouldn't have come from Covid.

He was relatively anti-war, even going on record criticising the war-hungry Military Industrial Complex, and firing hawk John Bolton. So unlikely he would've caused millions of deaths by senseless war.

The economy was doing well, with decent job figures for all, including the poverty-class. So unlikely there'd have been a starvation crisis.

How do you think he would've caused similar damage as Stalin/Mao had he won another 4 years?
:oops: ok mate
 
Judgement cometh and that right soon says the title.
*I know he hasn't spent a day in jail yet, but how is his trial going, how many days is it he's he been in that courtroom now?
None you say?
Well he's probably too busy lining up for 2024 and such.

*asking for a friend.
 
when you're back from swinging i'm interested in how you think Trump would have, in time, caused millions of deaths?

He pushed the vaccine development, so those deaths wouldn't have come from Covid.

He was relatively anti-war, even going on record criticising the war-hungry Military Industrial Complex, and firing hawk John Bolton. So unlikely he would've caused millions of deaths by senseless war.

The economy was doing well, with decent job figures for all, including the poverty-class. So unlikely there'd have been a starvation crisis.

How do you think he would've caused similar damage as Stalin/Mao had he won another 4 years?
To the first bolded point, unemployment numbers were low, but wealth inequality was and continues to trend towards pre-French Revolution numbers, which obviously isn’t great.

To the second, I doubt he was capable cauhing Stalin/Mao levels of death. However, the rhetoric he used regarding Latinos coming to this country in terms of being an infestation is historically very dangerous territory. When he’s managed to get his supporters into a headspace that they are defending children being separated from their families and locked in cages, or alleged forced sterilization of migrant women, then he’s probably done 90% of the work to having them look the other way if in fact actual death camps were set up along the border, which is terrifying.
 
False equivalency. The 26.9m figure includes all TV ratings, which have no option for the viewer to feedback (i.e. via thumbs-up or commenting).

And using that same metric (Nielsen) Trump's 2020 State of the Union address got 37.1m viewers.

If we're gauging popularity by also including Nielsen ratings as well as social media, we objectively see Trump is clearly the more popular figure.

Except when the metric is votes...funny that.
Trump’s popularity on YouTube may be growing (although many of those viewers could be the same ones looking at the clips over and over) but his TV ratings are certainly going down hill. A couple of weeks ago his interview in Newsmax got beaten by other cable news programs according to Nielsen Media Research data. So his popularity is definitely declining among Republicans, those that still follow him are just crazy people that can’t accept reality.

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