Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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One of the reasons that the impeachment reached the Senate after Trump left office was that McConnel refused to reconvene the Senate in the week before the Inauguration.
If post presidential impeachment was such an issue perhaps Mike Lee could have demanded that the Senate be in session? It got together fast enough to pass a Supreme Court judge.
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TN Toffee
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So the argument from Republicans is seriously going to be that the Constitution allows for a 10 week period where the outgoing president is simultaneously the most powerful man on earth and also literally above the law? GTFO with that. I would have actually been more receptive to them trying to argue that he didn’t incite the riot.
summerisle
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This is the equivalent of "he learned his lesson".
Yeah, censuring does soooo much...
Kaine is such a wet blanket...
Yep, at least there might be 1st Amendment grounds for that view
And I think the position of Republicans is that you can’t impeach a president *
1) during the term as voters should decide who is their president
2) after the term as that somehow isn’t what the framers wanted (despite contemporary examples that they didn’t believe that to be the case)
3) during the “dead duck” period between being voted out of office and the inauguration unless the impeachable offense is done with enough time to hold a lengthy trial hearing the evidence in both the House and the Senate.
So there is probably a 5 minute window on the Wednesday next after the first Monday in November that qualifies but that would be very divisive and unwise.
*only applies to GOP officials, open season on anyone else.
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I’m conflicted, it is so obviously inadequate but at this point it is likely to be the only thing that might pass.
This is the equivalent of "he learned his lesson".
Yeah, censuring does soooo much...
Kaine is such a wet blanket...
Fat lot of good it will do, but I still want GOP senators on record as voting not to convict. At least history can judge them.
Then they can censure Trump.
It wasn't through lack of wanting to try, just lack of opportunity
But again, I find it difficult to look beyond it being conjecture when you consider what Hitler, Himmler, Eichman, Heydrich and Müller et al. actually did.
Today is Holocaust Memorial Day and while it's important that we understand what the likes of Trump may lead to, we must also not blur the lines.
Would Trump want to eliminate a race and commit mass genocide? I can't say that there's enough evidence to suggest that. Let's not confuse the two!
I believe he had the potential to be a bad meff, maybe not hitler stalin bad, but, president for life, pinochet, gadafi, saddam bad meff.
But luckily for the USA and the world, he started a bit late and the system is a bit too robust...pure lack of opportunity.
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I agree with the fact that Trump never specifically did anything that points towards him wanting to do any sort of ethnic cleansing. However, a not insignificant portion of his supporters were completely on board with the things that have been taking place on our southern border over the past four years. When you’ve vilified a race of people to the point that your supporters are okay with children being separated from their parents and locked in cages, or (alleged) forced hysterectomies, you’ve gotten a lot of people into a headspace where they would be willing to look the other way if they found out they were actual death camps. That’s terrifying.
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It was at another level when it comes to the genocide that happened under Hitler. However, no genocide begins with mass killing, just look how Nazism began and one can see this ideology wasn't at first rooted with the desire to conduct mass murdering but the main focus was emigration control of jews. Thus genocides and dictatorships do not just leap into existence. Instead, they begin incrementally, with authoritarianism, racism, ethnic myths and the dehumanization of certain races and segments of society. That's where the similarities arise. The Nazis at first used emigration as their method of removing Jews then their policies changed to extermination. Similarly, Trump administration caged immigrant children without any regard for their wellness so much that several of them died during detention. His administration also separated children breaking up families as a way to discourage immigrants coming into this country. Trump also tried to marginalize people from Muslim countries with his travel ban. He encouraged white supremacists ideologies and supported Nazi groups, such as the Proud Boys. He repeatedly made appeals to violence during his presidency and expressed his desire to be in office for a long time. Another similarity is the propaganda machine that Trump, like Hitler, used to brainwash his supporters. I could go on and on. Thus Trump's government policies, if successful, could have also lead us to a similar path, but hopefully we will never know. So while the Holocaust has been one of the greatest attrocities against a segment of humanity the parallels between Trump and Nazi lie in authoritarianism, racism, ethnic myths and the dehumanizing language that both men utilized. Shunning comparisons misses an opportunity to analyze important history for the public good so people can learn the patterns that can easily lead a movement of intense nationalism towards mass murdering.
It's not about shunning comparisons but rather identifying balanced (objective) similarities and differences, without disregarding the severity of either side.
There's similarities between the two individuals and that would be easy to just say, "Yeah, Trump's like Hitler," but objectively I find it difficult to overstate them.
With Hither you have from the outset agitation in beer halls, the '24 Putsch - a direct, murderous assault - and a doctrine dripping in hatred with Mein Kampft.
What Trump allowed and fuelled in the detention centres was macabre and evil, but is it comparable with Dachau in '33 or with the likes of Sachsenhausen?
Even with all the disdain I have for the likes of the Proud Boys, their actions are not equivalent to the likes of the Sturmabteilung or the more vicious SS.
And we're not even talking about the mass atrocities of his regime later in his leadership, so while I agree with most you say the issue is to what extent.
If we're talking about modern history, there's closer comparisons in the Balklands: I've seen there, first hand, what authoritarian regime and racism leads to.
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