Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[riddick]

I said it before, I genuinely don't know why more didn't happen. It baffles me that no lawmakers or their staff were even hurt much less died when there were people directing them to where others were. I've seen video of people inside just walking around and kicking doors and moving down to the next one, etc. I don't get what happeend that saved a ton of lives I reckon..

 

[d34noj]

That didn't take long lol

'The Proud Boys' sounds like a homosexual boy band.

 

[RAFUH]

I said it before, I genuinely don't know why more didn't happen. It baffles me that no lawmakers or their staff were even hurt much less died when there were people directing them to where others were. I've seen video of people inside just walking around and kicking doors and moving down to the next one, etc. I don't get what happeend that saved a ton of lives I reckon..

I think there is a lot we don’t know...as in not saying how close it got in some cases.

 

[Martin Alvito]

So, it seems pretty clear that McConnell, after claiming Trump helped foment the insurrection is going to vote to not indict Trump. That's my guess. His verbal castigation will be something he can point to when he traitorously votes to acquit Trump. Because he's a 'effing POS.

What has leaked makes it pretty clear that McConnell personally wants to convict, but that he'll lose the conference and his position if he does. Right now he's King John, and the barons are ramming something down his throat that he doesn't like.

I agree with your overall assessment of him, but this one shouldn't contribute to it. You don't stay leader in the Senate without this level of pragmatism. A senator with an unassailable base at home like Ted Kennedy or McCain can take the stand you want taken here, but a majority or minority leader that does so quickly finds themself replaced.

Finding out who was on the other end of those Facebook messages will make for interesting reading.

 

[Amw79]

'The Proud Boys' sounds like a homosexual boy band.

Between his support for ‘The Proud Boys’, and his love for ‘YMCA’, Trump has unwittingly done more for the LGBT movement than most presidents.

 

[PhilM]

I think there is a lot we don’t know...as in not saying how close it got in some cases.

This for two reasons.

For operational reasons, the security was a completely failure, so they'll be trying their best to ensure external parties don't receive the full picture of this.

Full disclosure would perhaps embolden other groups or provide additional insight if they planned their own attack either at the Capitol or somewhere else.

In terms of any investigation, they will not want to jeopardise any investigation as I am sure they will be looking to see who, if anyone, could have collaborated.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

What has leaked makes it pretty clear that McConnell personally wants to convict, but that he'll lose the conference and his position if he does. Right now he's King John, and the barons are ramming something down his throat that he doesn't like.

I agree with your overall assessment of him, but this one shouldn’t contribute to it. You don't stay leader in the Senate without this level of pragmatism. A senator with an unassailable base at home like Ted Kennedy or McCain can take the stand you want taken here, but a majority or minority leader that does so quickly finds themself replaced.

Finding out who was on the other end of those Facebook messages will make for interesting reading.

1. It absolutely should contribute to it.

2. Then get replaced. The man is a danger to the existence of democracy in a country that claims to model democracy to the world.

If you genuinely believe Trump to have fomented insurrection and to be unfit to serve, then you vote to impeach him and deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.

 

[Sassy Colombian]

This is exactly how Melania looks to me. A woman can't look beautiful physically when she has an ugly heart.

 

[Martin Alvito]

If you genuinely believe Trump to have fomented insurrection and to be unfit to serve, then you vote to impeach him and deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.

What he believes is that his legislative agenda is his work, and that he's the best person to advance the agenda and stymie the opposition.

In his mind, Trump is a sideshow to that. Trump's unpopularity is likely to be enduring, and if Congress can convict him subsequent to a term of office then they can wait to move on Trump until he runs for office and only if the election is competitive.

The case of William Blount also is relevant. Congress had him dead to rights on a treason charge in his own handwriting and was unable to act beyond expelling Blount from the Senate. All politics is tribal.

So I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it. If enough of the Republican conference thought the way you do, it's an easy call to do as you suggest and we're not having this conversation. However, the fact that the Republicans tried to use Trump rather than remove him prior to this, which is 100% on McConnell, has left McConnell in his present predicament.

 

[TN Toffee]

1. It absolutely should contribute to it.

2. Then get replaced. The man is a danger to the existence of democracy in a country that claims to model democracy to the world.

If you genuinely believe Trump to have fomented insurrection and to be unfit to serve, then you vote to impeach him and deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.

Also, McConnell is 78, and just won another six year term a couple months ago. Not much reason for him to be playing the long game at this point in his career.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

What he believes is that his legislative agenda is his work, and that he's the best person to advance the agenda and stymie the opposition.

In his mind, Trump is a sideshow to that. Trump's unpopularity is likely to be enduring, and if Congress can convict him subsequent to a term of office then they can wait to move on Trump until he runs for office and only if the election is competitive.

The case of William Blount also is relevant. Congress had him dead to rights on a treason charge in his own handwriting and was unable to act beyond expelling Blount from the Senate. All politics is tribal.

So I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it. If enough of the Republican conference thought the way you do, it's an easy call to do as you suggest and we're not having this conversation. However, the fact that the Republicans tried to use Trump rather than remove him prior to this, which is 100% on McConnell, has left McConnell in his present predicament.

It's only a difficult call to make if you think partisan politics and your own grip on power is more important than keeping someone who fomented insurrection and who you know is entirely unfit for public office from taking up the most powerful office on the planet AGAIN*, when you've already seen first hand the damage he can do from behind that desk.

Make no mistake, whether or not Trump would win a General in 2024, he WOULD win the republican nomination, and from there the gerrymandering and voter suppression (that McConnell is in significant part responsible for) could quite easily do the rest.

 

[longers]

Brave person

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Also, McConnell is 78, and just won another six year term a couple months ago. Not much reason for him to be playing the long game at this point in his career.

That’s what I don’t understand. The guy doesn’t have to face his electorate for another 6 years, so wouldn’t now be the time for him to stand for what’s right so at least history books could say he did that? It’s just baffling to me. Surely he has much less power now as minority leader and he got his justices thru, so what’s he care at this point?

 

[RAFUH]

That’s what I don’t understand. The guy doesn’t have to face his electorate for another 6 years, so wouldn’t now be the time for him to stand for what’s right so at least history books could say he did that? It’s just baffling to me. Surely he has much less power now as minority leader and he got his justices thru, so what’s he care at this point?

I think what some are suggesting is that he would lose his leadership role in the Senate (minority leader).
At 78, I have to believe (hope) this is his last term.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think what some are suggesting is that he would lose his leadership role in the Senate (minority leader).
At 78, I have to believe (hope) this is his last term.

Yes but as minority leader with a Dem POTUS and Dem House that's a worthless position anyway. And he got what he wanted the last four years. So what more can he do anyway is my point.