Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[davek]

Somebody's taking a shot at him now, and it will continue with the level of success we have seen over the last twenty five years or so from our intel community. In other words, chances are good that Trump dodges the takedown. If they were as good as they used to be it would have never gotten to this point, dave. Plus, the CIA and FBI are not on the same side of this by any means. It's inside baseball, but they're on different sides of the fence - FBI = domestic spooks; CIA = foreign spooks. Supposedly.

Traditionally, the GOP has seen the FBI as a power base for "deeds"; while the Democrats have done much the same with the CIA. Neither agency is as adept as they they once were, perhaps due to the degree to which the public can route around the old-fashioned meme spreading through its own use of modern social media. Go long popcorn futures, and you'll be in clover, mate. Get a cabin and a copy of Mailer's Harlot's Ghost, and we'll talk in a couple of months. Who knows what's next.

BTW, I'm hardly a traditional Republican. It says a great deal about the Overton window of GOT that you see me in that light.

Sorry mate, I thought you were a Republican for some reason. My apologies.

Fascinating analysis. I had no idea those two agencies were breaking those ways along party lines.

Looking from the outside it appears something just has to give, because I've never seen an incoming president facing questions of legitimacy in my lifetime (as a small kid I can vaguely remember the Nixon furore, but nothing since then has come close, and that was when he was 6 years into his presidency).

 

[davek]

Because the spat between Trump and the spooks is so public I think he will be the most secure President in history.......they could have bumped off any other one without suspicion, but not now.......

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Short of that grisly end though, I expect him to be impeached over something or other and go early in his presidency. Two years max.

 

[ncblue]

It'll end the same way Thatcher was taken out. It won't be the Democrats or the Intel community... but a small (in comparison) group of Republicans that have had and seen enough. They'll ditch him as soon as they can put in their preferred candidate (Pence) who is malleable enough and will toe the line. It's actually quite easy for a party in power to remove a sitting president.

 

[neil999]

It'll end the same way Thatcher was taken out. It won't be the Democrats or the Intel community... but a small (in comparison) group of Republicans that have had and seen enough. They'll ditch him as soon as they can put in their preferred candidate (Pence) who is malleable enough and will toe the line. It's actually quite easy for a party in power to remove a sitting president.

how?

 

[ncblue]

how?

Impeachment... or the 25th Amendment - which can remove the President if he's a danger and unstable (which he already is).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.9e289ef7cfad

 

[ilikecheese]

Sorry mate, I thought you were a Republican for some reason. My apologies.

Fascinating analysis. I had no idea those two agencies were breaking those ways along party lines.

Looking from the outside it appears something just has to give, because I've never seen an incoming president facing questions of legitimacy in my lifetime (as a small kid I can vaguely remember the Nixon furore, but nothing since then has come close, and that was when he was 6 years into his presidency).

Erm...where were you 8 years ago when our newly elected president was being called a Muslim from Indonesia?

Conservatives and racists from both sides went on and on for years about that...including Trump.

 

[peteblue]

Impeachment... or the 25th Amendment - which can remove the President if he's a danger and unstable (which he already is).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.9e289ef7cfad

Wow, he doesn't like him does he......"Donald Trump is a one-man basket of deplorables. He is a braggart and a liar. He is a bully and a demagogue. He is an ignoramus and a deadbeat, a chiseler and either a sincere racist or an insincere one, and his love for himself is matched only by my loathing of him. He is about to be president of the United States. A constitutional coup may be in the offing."..........then he goes on to say that he probably won't be ousted.....

 

[davek]

Erm...where were you 8 years ago when our newly elected president was being called a Muslim from Indonesia?

Conservatives and racists from both sides went on and on for years about that...including Trump.

That was not the same thing. A few hundred thousand sceptical red neck biffs do not a crisis of legitimacy make.

 

[abelard]

It'll end the same way Thatcher was taken out. It won't be the Democrats or the Intel community... but a small (in comparison) group of Republicans that have had and seen enough. They'll ditch him as soon as they can put in their preferred candidate (Pence) who is malleable enough and will toe the line. It's actually quite easy for a party in power to remove a sitting president.

He has done almost everything Republicans want so far. Look at the cabinet - it's a Goldman Sachs Hall of Fame. Gut the schools, slash health care, eliminate environmental and labour rights and protections, cut billionaires' taxes... They probably appreciate all the distractions he creates, as it helps them sneak past their true agenda, which nobody actually wants. Look what they tried with the Congressional Ethics Office, for instance.

If Democrats (or anyone else, at this point) try to impeach him now, it would be a declaration of Civil War.

He has to fail in his supporters' eyes first, and, as the election showed time and again, being a belligerent moron alone does not constitute a failure for them. For many it's part of the appeal.

It really shouldn't be so hard for Democrats to explain in policy terms why Trump and the Republicans will be a disaster for so many of their constituents, and to offer an alternative, but they are too dull to offer anything but the same ad hominem attacks that have failed so resoundingly, and they are terrified of meaningful political change.

 

[ncblue]

He has done almost everything Republicans want so far. L.

The republican party nearly tore themselves apart when Trump ran for President. The party elites hate him. Civil War? Why? They're not replacing him with Clinton. The Tories carried on fine after Thatcher was ditched.

And in some way I hope they don't do anything to him because I'm genuinely scared of Pence. Trump is a nutter but not the crazy right wing woman hater than Pence is.

 

[ilikecheese]

Wow, he doesn't like him does he......"Donald Trump is a one-man basket of deplorables. He is a braggart and a liar. He is a bully and a demagogue. He is an ignoramus and a deadbeat, a chiseler and either a sincere racist or an insincere one, and his love for himself is matched only by my loathing of him. He is about to be president of the United States. A constitutional coup may be in the offing."..........then he goes on to say that he probably won't be ousted.....

Pretty damn accurate description...if a little soft.

 

[dandydan]

I just can't understand how anyone could watch that presser yesterday (no matter what your political leaning) and think 'yea, this guy will be great'.

He called out the media for the lying hacks they are. He's going to make America great again. Unless you get your news from CNN that is.

 

[flo]

The republican party nearly tore themselves apart when Trump ran for President. The party elites hate him. Civil War? Why? They're not replacing him with Clinton. The Tories carried on fine after Thatcher was ditched.

And in some way I hope they don't do anything to him because I'm genuinely scared of Pence. Trump is a nutter but not the crazy right wing woman hater than Pence is.

I agree. Mike Pence comes across as kind of normal guy when on TV (kind of an opposite to Trump), but his ideology scares me.

 

[Number_25]

Wow.....people going into hyperventilation mode.........

Nah, I just thought that if I spoke like the Donald some of you may listen.

 

[abelard]

The republican party nearly tore themselves apart when Trump ran for President. The party elites hate him. Civil War? Why? They're not replacing him with Clinton. The Tories carried on fine after Thatcher was ditched.

And in some way I hope they don't do anything to him because I'm genuinely scared of Pence. Trump is a nutter but not the crazy right wing woman hater than Pence is.

It's not a binary... Pence and friends will (and have already had) plenty of influence on how things will go. His appointment is partly why people like Paul Ryan were so quick to reconcile themselves to Trump once it became clear he would win.

There's an understanding - Trump will handle the huckster stuff, and the Republicans will quietly get on with marshaling state power and resources to reward *their* set of rich patrons, to punish the poor, and to further erode voting integrity, much as they'd have done if anyone else - Romney, for example - had won.

If they get rid of Trump now, the civil war would come from Trump's base, which is in many but not all cases desperate and desperately confused and angry, with a healthy dose of racism thrown into the mix.

It's a different situation than the UK, where Thatcher was supported primarily by pampered and protected Shire Tories who loathed labour and the poor. In the US though, what used to be labour - and is what now subsequently the even-more dramatically poor - votes Republican, at least enough to still tip the balance, though the demographics are prohibitive absent voter suppression.