Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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HACKING etc

Whatever the truth of this countries spy on each other. America on Russia, Russia on America, didn't America get caught spying on Germany not so long ago. Pretty sure we all spy on China and they do on us.

GCHQ in Cheltenham is centre of the UKs spying.

As far as Russia interfering in the US election US and Britain have been trying to influence and create regime change in countries since the year dot...

Good to remember all this when tempted to get annoyed at Russias (true or not true - who knows for sure) actions
 
TX Bill said:
Crazy. I watched some of the confirmation hearings today on Sessions and Tillerman. The usual in that respect. The senator who attempted to give Tillerman most trouble in terms of "gotcha" questioning was Rubio. Didn't see that one coming.
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yeah that was interesting, revenge on trump? or do you think he has genuine concerns about tillerman?
 
tsubaki said:
It all depends on what the intelligence agencies / media are up to. If they are doing this from a genuine sense of public service then it will probably hurt Trump; if they are doing this because they want to provoke a war with Russia then it will probably help him.
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Well the Dems plan of intial plan of attack seems to be less getting busy rallying the base (which only always works when midterms come around) and more wrapping their lips around the CIA's behind. Given the CIA/NSA's track record of being gutter filth the past 2 decades this won't backfire at all.
 
An early contender for the most spot on article of 2017:

That nobody could possibly do a better job than the professionals is a core belief of elite liberalism. Suspicious of mass democracy and emboldened by the fall of the Soviet Union, elite liberals came to assume that we’d reached the end of history — that every other social order had been tried and proven inferior. Capitalist democracy, stewarded by sharp, well-intentioned experts, had allegedly emerged from the scrum as the unquestioned victor.

For people like this, it’s been hard to understand the increasing rejection of the political and economic consensus as anything other than an outbreak of irrationality and self-sabotage. While there may be room to fine tune, why would anyone want to tear down or significantly alter something as good as what we’ve got?

If politics is about nothing more than the effective administration of the current system — if it’s about nothing more than putting one’s faith in an able pilot — experience and technical expertise are the primary requirements. Ideological differences are immaterial, conflicting interests obsolete.

Elite liberals grew so confident that their “pilot” conception of politics had triumphed that when fury erupted from the outside, many were apoplectic, having forgotten that their views were even open to contest. For years they’d felt little need to police the boundaries of respectable discourse, because the only viable political options were reasonably close to the existing center and decidedly hostile to any program of radical change.

Sanders and Trump, in very different ways, upset all of that. Liberal denizens of the political establishment reacted to both with strident denunciations. Populism was treated as a cancer, whether from the right or left.

Sanders’s chief crime was his persistent denunciation of political and economic elites. But the Nordic-style social democracy he advocated was also considered to be too far from the status quo. (Liberal elites tend to presume that the limits of political possibility fall exactly in line with existing Democratic Party policy for the same reason ancients assumed that Earth was at the center of the universe.)

During the Democratic primary, Sanders’s campaign was tolerated until it became an inconvenience, at which point the Vermont senator was castigated for failing to step aside and support the establishment candidate. His attacks on Clinton’s Wall Street and health industry connections were labeled unacceptable and even sexist by people whose notion of good governance is drawn largely from West Wing box sets.
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ilikecheese said:
Stopped reading at 'elite liberals'
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Then you missed the best bits:

The Clinton campaign betrayed the same hubristic sense of inevitability, down to the “I’m With Her” slogan. Her candidacy was about her own ascendance — voters were just along for the ride.

Yet when she was beaten by a permatanned, loose cannon reality TV star with no political experience and a habit of making comments that alienated whole swathes of the population, the response of several liberal commentators was to suggest that the public had let her down. Her bland wonkery wasn’t evidence of her incompetence, but an indictment of the millions of voters who had turned their back on a candidate with unimpeachable expertise.

In the minds of her staunch defenders, ambitious proposals and Sanders-style rhetoric were the mark of the unserious, nothing more than demagogic appeals to the unlettered. Hillary was above all of that. To bring things back to the plane analogy, she wouldn’t stoop to the level of taking a drinks tray from first class and using it to patch over the windows. So the choice was between Trump’s noxious populism (scapegoating those in the other row) and Clinton’s patronizing insistence that nothing was actually wrong.
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Instead, it seems many Clintonite liberals are choosing to cling to the comfort blanket of smug condescension and class-tinged ridicule, as the catastrophe they helped create inches toward the White House.
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