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Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Yeah I’d very much like to visit. Been to many places in the north and west but not the south so much. Would love a road trip from coast to coast taking in all the southern states.
It's also too broad a generalization.
Poor white people might have reason to complain about the lack of employment or the death of the manufacturing industry, maybe even competition from workers they see as being from outside who'll work for way less but they certainty shouldn't have reason to complain about the removal of confederate statues, the canceling of the confederate flag or the renaming of the redskins.
Trump is tying their valid complaints to the ones that are not and is using the civil war and other dark parts of Americas history to add oxygen to a culture war.
Yeah I was being very hypothetical, but imagine that poor white people in the US marched solely on the grounds of class injustice. They'd be stereotyped instantly. Whereas if black people did, they wouldn't. And it's because of a current societal bias to highlight only some injustices but completely ignore others, and that creates the divide.
In many ways, it's totally inevitable. I'm not saying it's an easy fix. But at some point the balance has to redress because the damage focussing on one extreme and ignoring the other for too long will be incalculable. I already fear race relations in particular have regressed decades this year alone, because there's a sneering condescension towards even those who say "I agree completely, but what about <X>", because X isn't important right now.
yea, because poor white people in this country have it far better than poor any other people, the societal bias is redlining, or allocating school districts or food deserts, or access to higher level education and so on.
Sort of correct, but they do have reason to complain of that if they just think it's bloody stupid. The problem is the corruption from racists on the same cause, which is again what things like the Brexit vote had to deal with.
What's does renaming the Redskins do for literally anyone? As in really tangibly achieve? It just feels like a pointless waste of time to me.
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There's no scenario in which white people could specifically march on class injustice and exclude black people without it being a race issue though. "Poor white people are economically oppressed" is a true statement, but adding "white" makes it racial, because it is 1) still true if you remove that word and 2) MORE true if you replace that word with "black"
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Clinton but when you ask people why they don’t like her they rarely give an answer of any substance. I mean what’s the difference policy wise, between her and Biden for example? Doubt there’s much in it. She just wasn’t an appealing candidate and personally think there was a bit of an underlying current of misogyny going on.
I know, nothing you've said is wrong - hence I said hypothetical. In reality, it'd be exactly like you say - but that's the point; it isn't happening because it isn't seen as an important issue right now, so moaning about it is seen as "whataboutery" and labelled as detracting from the current cause.
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If masses of white people took to marching against economic inequality, the main denunciations would come from the right. It's long been part of the conservative fable that social/economic mobility in America isn't just possible but likely (which has never been the case) for those who put in the work, so we don't have real class distinctions here and anyone who suggests we do must be some kind of far left rabble rouser and an enemy of all true patriots. (The use of the phrase "working class" itself was long considered suspiciously lefty here. Most Americans felt more comfortable using the imperfect equivalent, "blue collar," instead. It's a long habit of self-mystification by which we tell ourselves were all mostly middle class.)
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I'm really not sure what point you're making then. Because it sounds like "people are voting for racists because if they were to hypothetically take place in an inherently racist (or at very least racially ignorant) protest, they'd be decried as racists!"
What? It's a racist term. It's derogatory. I don't know one Native American (granted, I only know like 3) who is ok with it.
Imagine there was a team in liverpool called the Merseyside Bin Dippers. It's just a name but lots of people dont like it and find it offensive.
Should they shut up and leave the name cos it's just a name?
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More than keeping it does.
For me, it's an adapted connotation. It no longer retains any negative connotation with the term, as the team name is a thing of pride. It's not ridiculing Native Americans with it. Same as Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians and so on. It's cultural appropriation but a largely positive one.
That said, I understand the reason people want to change it, and it's not as lunatic an endeavour as other things going on right now - but I just don't see what on earth it actually does for anyone. They change their name tomorrow and the world turns, as it ever was. Therefore what's the point.
From a financial standpoint, the one that seems to matter most in American decision-making, it allows Dan Snyder to maintain relationships with huge corporate sponsors increasingly uncomfortable associating with a team called "Redskins".
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