Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Ruairi77]

Cosco. I think they require mask wearing. Its Florida lol. My particular County (Parish) doesnt require mask for anything. I dont shop in Baton Rouge because of the requirement of mask. I just respect the order .

the point wasn't about the mask, more to show the kind of person who's masculinity and intellect were threatened by Obama and would have voted for Trump no mater what he did.
I mean, trump could have bankrupted several businesses, mocked the disabled, hid his taxes, talked about how he liked sexual assau... you get the point

 

[Ruairi77]

While you are obviously essentially right, you are leaving out the lower class, uneducated white voters in that equation, who were a massive part of Trump's win.

I don't think the answer is to dismiss them out of hand as idiots. If you look under the surface, there's a massive "left behind" generation of poor white people in the US who don't recognise "privilege", yet are told constantly they have it. The Democrats/liberals in general tend to dismiss them entirely and it results in alienation, looking for answers elsewhere, which Trump exploited.

I'd love to see the left in the US and the UK be able to explain to these communities that they understand and their goal is to elevate all disadvantaged people, not just media friendly groups of them. For example, in the UK, you had Labour on one hand saying they're the voice of the poor, but Labour simultaneously laughing at those same people who voted for Brexit, completely not understanding the socio-economic link between the two.

So yes, "bruised white male egos" is definitely a thing - but you achieve nothing if you don't address what bruised those egos in the first place.

I never dismissed them as I think they might actually have reason to want to shake the whole thing up,
I think the well off white suburban males who went for trump because of their bruised ego put him over the top in places like Penn and Michigan.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Only reason trump is in the whitehouse is because the dems put up Hillary...

But the thing is, you're too smart to actually believe that statement.

 

[Tubey]

I never dismissed them as I think they might actually have reason to want to shake the whole thing up,
I think the well off white suburban males who went for trump because of their bruised ego put him over the top in places like Penn and Michigan.

Fair enough.

That's essentially the racist vote you describe. Nothing any Democrat does will turn them over in terms of voters, so not worth worrying about IMO.

Same as the Brexit vote - not all Brexit voters are racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.

 

[Tubey]

But the thing is, you're too smart to actually believe that statement.

Was a big factor mate. If you look at the margins in, say, Michigan, where Trump won, it's not hard to imagine someone other than Clinton wouldn't have seen quite as dramatic a swing to Trump.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Was a big factor mate. If you look at the margins in, say, Michigan, where Trump won, it's not hard to imagine someone other than Clinton wouldn't have seen quite as dramatic a swing to Trump.

I never said it wasn't a factor. Maybe it was even a big one.

It's certainly not the ONLY reason which is what Grinch said.

 

[Tubey]

I never said it wasn't a factor. Maybe it was even a big one.

It's certainly not the ONLY reason which is what Grinch said.

Yeah that's true, but still, if the only thing you changed in that election was Clinton, there's a good chance the result changes too. There was a Democrat firewall that Trump ultimately destroyed solely because of how hilariously off-putting Clinton was.

I think Biden might have enough about him to avoid the same fate, as honestly the only things that have changed since 2016 is the Dem candidate and Trump being abhorrent to any on the fence voter. Gonna be close though.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Yeah that's true, but still, if the only thing you changed in that election was Clinton, there's a good chance the result changes too. There was a Democrat firewall that Trump ultimately destroyed solely because of how hilariously off-putting Clinton was.

I think Biden might have enough about him to avoid the same fate, as honestly the only things that have changed since 2016 is the Dem candidate and Trump being abhorrent to any on the fence voter. Gonna be close though.

You could say that about a bunch of factors though. The fact that the margin was so razor thin makes that the case.

 

[BlueTX]

The Houston Honkies?

Ouch. BTW, Houston is the most ethnically diverse major city in the US - male African-American mayor, female Latina immigrant County Judge and male Latino immigrant Sheriff.

Until 1965 the Atlanta baseball team (minor league at the time) was known as the Crackers.

 

[sdk]

So yes, "bruised white male egos" is definitely a thing - but you achieve nothing if you don't address what bruised those egos in the first place.

Casual racism has become unacceptable and thus is no longer serving as a consolation to white men smarting from class oppression. White privilege, among other things, has always been a safety valve to keep class relations among whites from becoming too antagonistic.

 

[Tubey]

Casual racism has become unacceptable and thus is no longer serving as a consolation to white men smarting from class oppression. White privilege, among other things, has always been a safety valve to keep class relations among whites from becoming too antagonistic.

I don't think that's it. I think it's white men smarting from class oppression for sure, but it's the fact they're being told it doesn't apply to them because they're white and therefore have no reason to complain.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I don't think that's it. I think it's white men smarting from class oppression for sure, but it's the fact they're being told it doesn't apply to them because they're white and therefore have no reason to complain.

Except that's not what they're told. Just that others have it worse. That message is then twisted into what you wrote by a combination of racism and opportunism.

What's that phrase? When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression?

 

[sdk]

I don't think that's it. I think it's white men smarting from class oppression for sure, but it's the fact they're being told it doesn't apply to them because they're white and therefore have no reason to complain.

But who's actually telling poor whites they have no reason to complain? Besides the odd first-year college student in a fit of online self-righteousness, I mean?

That's the way your Tucker Carlsons would describe the left-liberal view of white privilege, but it's a burlesque and a gross simplification.

 

[Tubey]

But who's actually telling poor whites they have no reason to complain? Besides the odd first-year college student in a fit of online self-righteousness, I mean?

That's the way your Tucker Carlsons would describe the left-liberal view of white privilege, but it's a burlesque and a gross simplification.

Ah but that's just it - the lack of coherent voice for them. Whenever anyone raises their head above the parapets, they're yelled at as racist, right wing, nutjobs. So all that happens is that they are represented by racists and right wing nutjobs.

Society silences their voices by deeming what is acceptable to discuss. Black Lives Matter marches and society celebrates, in many ways rightly so - but if a bunch of poor white people did exactly the same thing for what they perceive as social class injustice, you know how that'd be portrayed if you're honest with yourself, right?

It's understandable in many ways because one is visibly more extreme a problem that the other - white people aren't being killed by racist police officers on a daily basis. But the more emphasis is placed solely on very liberal, very acceptable issues and the less emphasis is placed on something less tangible like class divide, the more resentment builds.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Ah but that's just it - the lack of coherent voice for them. Whenever anyone raises their head above the parapets, they're yelled at as racist, right wing, nutjobs. So all that happens is that they are represented by racists and right wing nutjobs.

Society silences their voices by deeming what is acceptable to discuss. Black Lives Matter marches and society celebrates, in many ways rightly so - but if a bunch of poor white people did exactly the same thing for what they perceive as social class injustice, you know how that'd be portrayed if you're honest with yourself, right?

If they went out and marched and protested that they were being discriminated against because they're white? Well yeah, then I know what they'd be called, because there is no evidence of "white oppression"

If they were marching at general economic injustice? Then it would be very unlikely to be a white-only march.