Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Ruairi77]

Trumps AG pick is having his hearing now and he's just said he DOESN'T KNOW if a secular person can figure out truth as well as a religious one.

 

[neil999]

If anyone was in doubt that he's a dangerous idiot...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-meets-with-vaccine-skeptic-robert-kennedy-jr/

Terrifying, children could actually die in based on hearsay, anecdotes and having an idiot as president

 

[SerenityNigh]

And yet....

Many or even most presidents (with far more charm than DT) have been responsible for killing 10s or 100s of thousands of innocent people in ill advised wars and unnecessary military actions.

Trump talks sexism but many presidents have had a covertly misogynistic attitude to women or groomed them to sleep with them.

Trump talks racism but many or most presidents have done nothing in practice to advance things for black Americans (the shameful neglect of the New Orleans/Louisiana population at the time of the hurricane/floods being the most strikingly horrific example in my recent memory)

Trump is ugly and talks ugly, but will he be any worse than the rest? Only time will tell.

This is an extremely narrow and naive view of history, and a very disappointing post

 

[SerenityNigh]

Rome was never a democracy, and under the Republic the Senate was always occupied by the wealthy and powerful.

"and to the Republic, for which it stands..."

 

[SerenityNigh]

Trumps AG pick is having his hearing now and he's just said he DOESN'T KNOW if a secular person can figure out truth as well as a religious one.

 

[JonS]

Terrifying, children could actually die in based on hearsay, anecdotes and having an idiot as president

I'm going to be a bit controversial here...

While I agree that the MMR being responsible for autism link seems to have been discredited and that vaccines have saved a lot of lives, done vaccines contain neurotoxic mercury and I dont understand why every last illness needs to be vaccinated against.

When I was found people had measles parties so their children could catch the disease.

Being exposed to bugs helps build a strong immune system and our over sanitised, anaesthetised, vaccinated world has been shown to help build stronger more resistant bacteria.

While I would probably get vaccinated if travelling to part of the world with serious conditions I'm certainly not going to have the flu jab (particularly as it only covers a tiny range of the winter flu-like conditions that we are likely to get)

 

[ilikecheese]

LOL...Trump’s Inauguration Will Have "Soft Sensuality," "Poetic Cadence"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katherinem...poetic-caden?utm_term=.lcd5YlxxZw#.kh76gwDDav

 

[JonS]

This is an extremely narrow and naive view of history, and a very disappointing post

Can you explain why, mate? You might be right but I just wondered why you disagree with me? Thanks

 

[SerenityNigh]

I'm going to be a bit controversial here...

I'm going to help you out a bit here...

While I agree that the MMR being responsible for autism link seems to have been discredited and that vaccines have saved a lot of lives

(1) Entirely discredited, no question
(2) Only the ones who take vaccines, only only prevents the illnesses targeted by vaccines

, done vaccines contain neurotoxic mercury and I dont understand why every last illness needs to be vaccinated against.

When I was found people had measles parties so their children could catch the disease.

(3) It's usually the illnesses with high mortality and severe life consequences that are targeted, specifically those that don't affect adults as much (who may be carriers) but are extremely dangerous to children
(4) Keep your kids away from stupid people

Being exposed to bugs helps build a strong immune system and our over sanitised, anaesthetised, vaccinated world has been shown to help build stronger more resistant bacteria.

(5) Building an immune system through exposure to "bugs" and preventing terminal illness are not the same; please don't think they are, and don't confuse the issue for others, especially parents of small children. Conflating "over-sanitized" with "vaccinated" is, I hope, just plain ignorance.

While I would probably get vaccinated if travelling to part of the world with serious conditions I'm certainly not going to have the flu jab (particularly as it only covers a tiny range of the winter flu-like conditions that we are likely to get)

(6) That's up to you, but vaccines are usually targeted to those who can't make decisions for themselves (children) and those with compromised immune systems (elderly). If you're around either, you should get a flu vaccine too, not for our own sake but so that you don't kill someone else through self-interest.

 

[JonS]

I'm going to help you out a bit here...



(1) Entirely discredited, no question
(2) Only the ones who take vaccines, only only prevents the illnesses targeted by vaccines



(3) It's usually the illnesses with high mortality and severe life consequences that are targeted, specifically those that don't affect adults as much (who may be carriers) but are extremely dangerous to children
(4) Keep your kids away from stupid people



(5) Building an immune system through exposure to "bugs" and preventing terminal illness are not the same; please don't think they are, and don't confuse the issue for others, especially parents of small children. Conflating "over-sanitized" with "vaccinated" is, I hope, just plain ignorance.



(6) That's up to you, but vaccines are usually targeted to those who can't make decisions for themselves (children) and those with compromised immune systems (elderly). If you're around either, you should get a flu vaccine too, not for our own sake but so that you don't kill someone else through self-interest.

I don't totally agree with you but don't totally disagree either and am not saying that I think vaccines are in general a bad thing.

I think you may have replied to the other post by me above by mistake or did you disagree with that one too?

 

[Blue 1]

I'm going to be a bit controversial here...

While I agree that the MMR being responsible for autism link seems to have been discredited and that vaccines have saved a lot of lives, done vaccines contain neurotoxic mercury and I dont understand why every last illness needs to be vaccinated against.

When I was found people had measles parties so their children could catch the disease.

Being exposed to bugs helps build a strong immune system and our over sanitised, anaesthetised, vaccinated world has been shown to help build stronger more resistant bacteria.

While I would probably get vaccinated if travelling to part of the world with serious conditions I'm certainly not going to have the flu jab (particularly as it only covers a tiny range of the winter flu-like conditions that we are likely to get)

Vaccines don't contain neurotoxic mercury. Some vaccines used to contain a substance called thimerosal as a preservative, which contained ethyl mercury, which is not the same as elemental mercury or methyl mercury in that it doesn't bioaccumulate. The amount was also negligable.

Vaccination helps protect those who can't be vaccinated or are immunodeficient in some way.

Measles can have awful, permanent complications and can kill.

 

[SerenityNigh]

And yet....

Many or even most presidents (with far more charm than DT) have been responsible for killing 10s or 100s of thousands of innocent people in ill advised wars and unnecessary military actions.

Trump talks sexism but many presidents have had a covertly misogynistic attitude to women or groomed them to sleep with them.

Trump talks racism but many or most presidents have done nothing in practice to advance things for black Americans (the shameful neglect of the New Orleans/Louisiana population at the time of the hurricane/floods being the most strikingly horrific example in my recent memory)

Trump is ugly and talks ugly, but will he be any worse than the rest? Only time will tell.

Can you explain why, mate? You might be right but I just wondered why you disagree with me? Thanks

Well, there's so much that I don't know that I can be more specific than this--nobody has an audience like the President. Actions are easy to track, but words have huge effects that, despite their incorporeal nature, are greater often than individual actions.

Compare Kennedy and Trump for instance: while Kennedy's pursuit of Maryilyn Monroe may be detestable (or commendable, per your view on the matter), he didn't publicly advocate for the assault and rape (or near rape) of women because "he wanted to." And despite his flawed "war" with Cuba, he did not (as history tells it) speak war to the ears of the nation. Trump's bullying words don't do much to encourage humility and peace domestically nor internationally, and a people who want war will get it. Instead, Kennedy put in the mind of the American public a moon landing, and achieved such just a few years after his (early) death.

Re: Katrina, this is an oddity that plays more to ineptness and local preparedness than lack of Executive action. But if you want to talk institutional racism, you won't as much find it here as you will Reagan's "War on Drugs" that lead, unfortunately, to high incarceration rates for black men and towards the militarization of policing. Those have both worked out well.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I don't totally agree with you but don't totally disagree either and am not saying that I think vaccines are in general a bad thing.

I think you may have replied to the other post by me above by mistake or did you disagree with that one too?

Yeah, I don't mean to pick on you there, I'm just adamant that nobody* should believe the anti-vaccine BS. It's very dangerous and actually kills people, unlike vaccines which are safe and save lives.

Arguing against vaccines is like arguing against weightlifting because you did bicep curls for an entire year and couldn't increase how many pushups you were able to do. It's at best misguided with honest intentions; at worst it's stupid, and (speaking to your earlier comment), those scientists who have promulgated this whole affair may do as much damage as any recent US President through war.

*I do have one friend who's staunch anti-vaccine, but he's actually crazy I think, so I don't argue with him.

 

[JonS]

Vaccines don't contain neurotoxic mercury. Some vaccines used to contain a substance called thimerosal as a preservative, which contained ethyl mercury, which is not the same as elemental mercury or methyl mercury in that it doesn't bioaccumulate. The amount was also negligable.

Vaccination helps protect those who can't be vaccinated or are immunodeficient in some way.

Measles can have awful, permanent complications and can kill.

I guess I assess risks differently in that though I'm sure you are right about measles I believe the risk of what you say is small and it certainly wasn't considered so horrifically dangerous when I was a kid.

I have a science training (though many years ago) and a partner who is a pharmacist so I am certainly not a luddite but neither am I a great fan of Western medicine (other than in acute life at threat circumstances when it's great) as I have seen so much over medication with people on cocktails of drugs that make them more ill than the conditions they are taking the drugs for.

Not anti-vaccination though and I don't agree with Trump. It's just that I consider my views rather than blindly accepting

 

[peteblue]

yup.

There are a few who will always vote red no matter who runs.
There are a few that hated Hillary Clinton with the kind of venom I haven't seen before
There are a few who liked what he said about Mexico paying for a wall along with other ridiculous claims
There are a few who agreed with his stance on Trade and TTP
There are a few who blame the democrats for the gridlock on the hill and think he'll drain the swamp.
Most are a combination of some of those.

Some friends were sharing info wars links on my Facebook page, reasonable people sharing what Alex Jones has to say.
Economically, there's a slim chance he might do ok but for me, the office is a whole lot more than that.
His inexperience with foreign affairs scares me but most of all his demeanor and attitude are no where near befitting of the office.
He's already making a mockery of the roll.

TBh, I hate Hilary Clinton as well. I think you should give him a chance, but never give up on your friends, that's why they are friends.....