Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[SerenityNigh]

I guess I assess risks differently in that though I'm sure you are right about measles I believe the risk of what you say is small and it certainly wasn't considered so horrifically dangerous when I was a kid.

I have a science training (though many years ago) and a partner who is a pharmacist so I am certainly not a luddite but neither am I a great fan of Western medicine (other than in acute life at threat circumstances when it's great) as I have seen so much over medication with people on cocktails of drugs that make them more ill than the conditions they are taking the drugs for.

Not anti-vaccination though and I don't agree with Trump. It's just that I consider my views rather than blindly accepting

We can only hope that MRSA kills us all before Trump is able

 

[ilikecheese]

TBh, I hate Hilary Clinton as well. I think you should give him a chance, but never give up on your friends, that's why they are friends.....

He's done nothing since the election to earn a chance.

 

[peteblue]

I think Trump will kill fewer people than previous presidents...........

 

[SerenityNigh]

I think Trump will kill fewer people than previous presidents...........

Abe Lincoln was a [Poor language removed]

 

[peteblue]

He's done nothing since the election to earn a chance.

You will never be convinced, you are a Clinton man, the real trick is to put aside your belief and knowledge and just see what happens, you may be surprised........

 

[tsubaki]

Abe Lincoln was a [Poor language removed]

he was responsible for less deaths than Bush II

 

[SerenityNigh]

You will never be convinced, you are a Clinton man, the real trick is to put aside your belief and knowledge and just see what happens, you may be surprised........

Just let JohnnyDawg whisper sweet nothings into your ear and you'll be surprised--it's not as bad as you imagined.

 

[ilikecheese]

You will never be convinced, you are a Clinton man, the real trick is to put aside your belief and knowledge and just see what happens, you may be surprised........

He's done nothing but be embarrassing and make appointments that I have serious philosophical differences with.

He could choose to be presidential and earn the trust of all Americans, but he's just dividing us further...his appointments spell that out.

He doesn't have America's best interests at heart...only his own.

 

[SerenityNigh]

he was responsible for less deaths than Bush II

Not likely, even at the highest estimates and broadest reach of the Bush-era and following Iraq/Afghan wars.

 

[JonS]

Well, there's so much that I don't know that I can be more specific than this--nobody has an audience like the President. Actions are easy to track, but words have huge effects that, despite their incorporeal nature, are greater often than individual actions.

Compare Kennedy and Trump for instance: while Kennedy's pursuit of Maryilyn Monroe may be detestable (or commendable, per your view on the matter), he didn't publicly advocate for the assault and rape (or near rape) of women because "he wanted to." And despite his flawed "war" with Cuba, he did not (as history tells it) speak war to the ears of the nation. Trump's bullying words don't do much to encourage humility and peace domestically nor internationally, and a people who want war will get it. Instead, Kennedy put in the mind of the American public a moon landing, and achieved such just a few years after his (early) death.

Re: Katrina, this is an oddity that plays more to ineptness and local preparedness than lack of Executive action. But if you want to talk institutional racism, you won't as much find it here as you will Reagan's "War on Drugs" that lead, unfortunately, to high incarceration rates for black men and towards the militarization of policing. Those have both worked out well.

I agree with you Trumps words are terrible and I cant support that but I guess among several other presidents I was particularly thinking of Bill Clinton in my grooming comment. I think how he treated Lewinsky (and probably others) was disgusting and I have little doubt he used his position to encourage her affections so that she believed he felt something for her rather than a quick shag.

I think that is far worse than Trumps talk on such matters but others will disagree.

And on wars I think people focus far too much on Trumps again ugly words while neglecting the numbers that the -on the face of it - more respectable presidents have actually been responsible for killing and the misery they have created eg in the middle east.

It's the sticks and stones that break bones - calling names alone doesn't do that (ugly though that may seem).

 

[tsubaki]

Not likely, even at the highest estimates and broadest reach of the Bush-era and following Iraq/Afghan wars.

What was the Civil War death toll? 700,000? I would have thought Bush II's antics have led to quite a bit more than that.

 

[dandydan]

TBh, I hate Hilary Clinton as well. I think you should give him a chance, but never give up on your friends, that's why they are friends.....

I had someone I have known for years unfriend me on Facebook because I pointed out a few innacuracies in a huff post article he shared. Kopite of course.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I agree with you Trumps words are terrible and I cant support that but I guess among several other presidents I was particularly thinking of Bill Clinton in my grooming comment. I think how he treated Lewinsky (and probably others) was disgusting and I have little doubt he used his position to encourage her affections so that she believed he felt something for her rather than a quick shag.

I think that is far worse than Trumps talk on such matters but others will disagree.

And on wars I think people focus far too much on Trumps again ugly words while neglecting the numbers that the -on the face of it - more respectable presidents have actually been responsible for killing it the misery they have created eg in the middle east.

It's the sticks and stones that break bones - calling names alone doesn't do that (ugly though that may seem).

Fair points, but I'll take the other side. Nothing is more powerful than words (so much so, we pen children's rhymes to protect ourselves from them!).

Bill's pursuit of Monica is horrific and dehumanizing, but I don't think his actions did much to encourage predatory actions by other men in the US at that time. We'll see what happens here and now, but I can't see how the President-Elect, claiming to have grabbed women whom he desired in the [Poor language removed], and brushing aside allegations that he actually assaulted any of the women who have accused him, will have a positive effect on the number of men in the US who are willing/prone to assault women. Instead I'm afraid his words (regardless if there is any action/merit behind them) will have a negative influence on the prevalence of assault. Our only real hope is that his comments are viewed so widely as horrific that they spur national conversation which has the alternative effect. Might be useful to have a woman's view on this though.

 

[SerenityNigh]

What was the Civil War death toll? 700,000? I would have thought Bush II's antics have led to quite a bit more than that.

Civil War is a relatively firm number, in the 600,000 to 1,000,000 range but largely agreed to be near 750,000.

The Iraq wars, etc, are believe to have casualties from below 200,000 to nearly 1,100,000, depending on how you define the extent of the reach and estimate the death toll.

Even if you disregard scale of the casualties, the first is a much more rigorous/reliable number (only know because I looked it up moments before your comment.)

Wiki source

 

[SerenityNigh]

He's done nothing but be embarrassing and make appointments that I have serious philosophical differences with.

He could choose to be presidential and earn the trust of all Americans, but he's just dividing us further...his appointments spell that out.

He doesn't have America's best interests at heart...only his own.

As if you wouldn't appoint your son-in-law to be your Senior Advisor. If he's good enough to bang your daughter*, who is, I might add, one hot piece of ass, he's good enough for America.

*For dramatization purposes only. I have no idea whether Cheese's daughter is one hot piece of ass.