Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[McBain]

yeah, forgive me for speaking for @Ruairi77, but that’s clearly not what was being insinuated.

It's exactly whats insinuated.

Do you also call it the 'China Virus' too?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It's exactly whats insinuated.

Do you also call it the 'China Virus' too?

No it wasn’t. His heritage has absolutely no impact on his guilt whatsoever. It has a bloody big impact on 1) his likelihood of being prosecuted and 2) his likelihood of being found guilty relative to the ethnicities being reversed

As for the second part of your post, what in gods name are you talking about?

 

[McBain]

No it wasn’t. His heritage has absolutely no impact on his guilt whatsoever. It has a bloody big impact on 1) his likelihood of being prosecuted and 2) his likelihood of being found guilty relative to a white person.

As for the second part of your post, what in gods name are you talking about?

Labelling him 'Somali American' - he's an American. You add a label to influence the bias. Keep up please.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Labelling him 'Somali American' - he's an American. You add a label to influence the bias. Keep up please.

“Keep up please” lol Marvellous effort at condescension.

Genuinely can’t tell if you’re being intentionally obtuse, or if it’s just your default setting.

There is an epidemic of black men being killed by white police officers in the US.

Removing those “labels” makes the statement meaningless, because it generalises the issue to all groups, when it is not endemic or even accurate within all groups.

 

[McBain]

Genuinely can’t tell if you’re being intentionally obtuse, or if it’s just your default setting.

There is an epidemic of black men being killed by white police officers in the US.

Removing those “labels” makes the statement meaningless, because it generalises the issue to all groups, when it is not endemic or even accurate within all groups.

Genuinely can't tell why your answering for @Ruairi77 and getting it so wrong.

 

[TheBigIguana]

“We comdemn violence against property and persons“ - usually in that order of priority.

He got confused when he realized those aren't synonyms anymore

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Genuinely can't tell why your answering for @Ruairi77 and getting it so wrong.

Well I guess we’ll see when @Ruairi77 responds... but I’m pretty confident that he doesn’t think the guy is automatically less guilty because of his heritage.

indeed, the question mark in your original post implies you weren’t so sure yourself. In fact that punctuation mark was the most sensible part of your post, since it showed at least a little hesitancy in tying yourself to such an inane assertion.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I hate him

Certainly get that. However, it's what Trump and his ilk want/need. They weaponise emotion and set about riling political adversaries.

 

[sdk]

He's been arrested hasn't he?

Indeed, he has been arrested and charged, which is a hopeful turn. The arrest occurred after the counter-example of the Somali American officer who'd killed the woman was posted. Perhaps @Ruairi77 moved the needle!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Sorry for the delay in responding... couldn't be hooped doing all the quote splitting on my phone. Easier on the laptop.

You make a fair few points on the whole for where you come from. But firstly my criticism of Sanders?

I was talking about your characterisation of criticisms levelled at Sanders by others, not YOUR criticisms.

It wasn’t meant to be a criticism persay I do admire his loyalty to his friend but if I am to criticise I’d say he endorsed Biden to quickly and without making progressive concessions In The form of writing with the promise of executive orders in the first days isn’t much to demand imo. Maybe demand high and land somewhere. I think getting the Bernie progressives onboard would be smart and good for everyone. Right now many are disillusioned. And ain’t falling for that bs committee. Calling someone like me naive and ‘get with the real world’ condescendingly won’t help either.

I'm sorry you felt it was condescending... but to be honest I stand by the characterisation... Bernie on the other hand is certainly NOT naive, which is why he endorsed Biden and is working with him - he understands that there are immediate issues which are pressing above all others - namely getting Trump out of office.

There is some socialist believe that you must let capitalism get out of control and let it destroy itself. If we can’t make big progressive strides then let Trump be the alarm clock. This the ‘most progressive platform in a general’ like that actually means something all things considered.

How's that working out in general for us on the Left? If you need to check, ask Corbyn and the Labour Party.

Bought politicians will never have the people in mind. Biden can make all the progressive promises he wants with his most progressive run in a general in recent history. He is bought. I don’t believe a word. Sanders was not bought.

I think people are in their right to check out not vote or vote 3rd party. Telling someone like that to ‘get real’ does no good for them doesn’t do it for me anyway. I’d rather devote energy to an alternative and yern for revolution. As naive and pissing against the wind it seems to you.

What it seems to me is of little relevance... it's the fact that it IS naive and pissing against the wind that matters. Voting third party is a vote for Trump.

 

[BlueTX]

Here's the alt-right argument being made here.

Amy Klobuchar, a former state attorney (basically, state prosecutor) in Minnesota, had multiple opportunities to discipline and/or terminate the officer whose knee caused the death of George Floyd. At each of these, she declined to discipline this guy. She is currently under consideration for the VP slot, coincidentally. We can change the 'is' to 'was' in the preceding sentence, I think.

The case the alt-right makes is that public service unionized employees (including first responders like Derek Chauvin) and the Democrats are partners in progress, from a political perspective. The kind of harsh discipline associated with the alt-right and Republicans would have sent this guy down the road and out of the force years ago, but that would have upset police union advocates who have more clout in the Minnesota DFL party than their base generally realizes. (This part is the dirty secret concealed in the package.) Like most arguments on either side, it sounds specious unless it fits into the socket in one's thinking that already believes that this is true.

If this information comes from the left, it is described as "investigative journalism." If it comes from the right, it is described as "conspiracy theory."

edit - changed job description of Klobuchar from AG to state attorney.

I'm not sure you are getting complete information @mezzrow. I was completely ignorant regarding your claims so looked into the media reports about this and found the Communities Against Police Brutality organization is oft-cited by left and right-wing media outlets as the source of "10 reports" against Officer Chauvin. Well, the 10 incidents listed at CAPB include 3 instances (likely all in the same event) where the officer was reprimanded for saying naughty words. The other 7 incidents provide zero information about any complaint as all resulted in no action.

Further, it's not at all likely any of these complaints ever reached the office of a prosecutor. All were referred to the Office of Police Conduct Review which is a subagency of the Minneapolis Civil Rights Division, which answers to the Minneapolis City Council - not the Hennepin County Attorney's Office.

Not sure anyone can accurately claim Amy Klobuchar should have heard of Officer Chauvin until right before she was elected to the US Senate.

 

[verreauxi]

I have yet to read the two pages that follow your post, so apologies if any of this has been covered by others. With that in mind...

Your representation of the criticism of Sanders is for the most part wildly inaccurate or at the very least overblown. The vast majority of the "many of you" that you mention - myself included - have stated ad infinitum that their preference 1) was not Biden and 2) in a lot of cases would be Bernie (as President) ahead of Biden. The majority of the criticism is towards a section of his support rather than him, and where there IS criticism of him, it's down to electability and his inability to build coalitions. Yes there is some criticism for him not going the Democratic Party yet running for their nomination twice, and maintaining an air of surprise that the Democratic establishment didn't line up behind him. Every single person in here believes that "helping the working class" is paramount, and in spite of your admonishments, Biden is running on the most progressive platform to have ever contested a US General election (in modern times - I won't claim to be a historical scholar or to know what was classed as liberal in the 1800's)

"Bringing attention to the system rather than playing their game" is a nice thought, but woefully naïve.

The crux of the issue is the first 10 words you typed. Trump is worse than Biden and (if you consider yourself a liberal) the GOP is worse than the Democratic Party. You spend infinitely more of your bashing/criticising the latter half of each of those pairs (often in woefully intellectually dishonest ways which give the impression that you're here for nothing than to act as a WUM), and then have the nerve to throw your daft little epithet at those who see the world as it ACTUALLY is rather than how they wish it was, and who realise that in order to change the system, you first have to win - something which Sanders has now failed to do twice, and something which Biden won't be aided in doing by inane critiques, whattaboutism and exhortations to "vote third party" - as if that is a recipe for anything other than 4 more years of Trump.

You give this adolescent way too much credit. Seriously.

 

[Ruairi77]

Whats your point here? He killed Justine Damond - a person, not white woman. You're also insinuating by calling him 'Somali American' that his heritage lessens his guilt?

He murdered that woman in cold blood after she called him for help. He deserves the death penalty.

Fair enough. I could have done a bit more research and shown more respect by using her name.

I’m not insinuating that his heritage lessens his guilt but his skin color heightened the chance and speed of conviction.

I don’t believe in the death penalty.

 

[Walken]

Leaving the WHO is a stupid act that will only have a negative effect. It will cheered by those who either don't actually understand the organisation and hadn't knew of its existence before Covid 19 and also by anti-vaxxer morons and lazy headline readers. Basically trumps base

 

[Prevenger17]

Leaving the WHO is a stupid act that will only have a negative effect. It will cheered by those who either don't actually understand the organisation and hadn't knew of its existence before Covid 19 and also by anti-vaxxer morons and lazy headline readers. Basically trumps base

More importantly for Trump, it is another body he can blame for his own disastrous response to covid and the absolute clusterf*** America now finds itself in.