tsubaki
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I really hate “this is a bad look for...”; it’s cowardice journalism.
Birx is trying to massage the number of dead because Trump or someone acting on her behalf has told her to. That’s how it should be described.
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I really hate “this is a bad look for...”; it’s cowardice journalism.
Birx is trying to massage the number of dead because Trump or someone acting on her behalf has told her to. That’s how it should be described.
As a doctor, her responsibility is to deliver the truth, not the spin. Fauci is managing to do it.
TheBigIguana
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You've done a stupendous job of missing the point here. It's admirable in a sad way.
Maybe this outbreak was preventable (I genuinely don't see that being said by experts, but I'm sure you could provide some kind of article), but the idea that a pandemic in general is 100% preventable is not true, which was my point and which I think I explained well enough.
TheBigIguana
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The problem I have with this idea is you're holding China to a standard that is more or less impossible. There is no way in November and December they could have known it was going to go like this. Yes they lied some, but honestly the horse was out the barn door long before they or anyone else realized the magnitude of the issue. The idea that they could have properly contained it feels close to fantasy to me, and for the governments of the US and UK to make that point after they also downplayed it, despite having the warnings available to see the seriousness, feels like it won't play well in negotiations.They're still on China. I get what you're saying but that's like swinging an axe at someones neck and blaming them for not ducking if they get hit by it.
It's easy to talk about an "efficient, well-drilled" response in hindsight but let's get real here; this whole thing completely blindsided us. Yes, the governments acted late, but we're talking a matter of weeks late instead of years here. There have been pandemic threats but it got to the "boy who cries wolf" stage and 99% of us thought this would fizzle out too until it became clear it wouldn't in February.
Your last paragraph - that's my hope in terms of the political response, but I just don't understand the media response. To my eyes, it's like they're trying to get that clickbait moment where Trump loses his rag or a Tory doesn't have a completely sombre face for two seconds.
This is what China is doing.
Coronavirus: China’s new army of tough-talking diplomats
How Beijing is mounting an aggressive campaign to defend its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.www.bbc.co.uk
Our media and politicians have sat back and allowed them to control the narrative. I genuinely find that abhorrent, as if it continues this way then we're opening ourselves up to something entirely preventable happening over and over again and threatening lives all over the world.
Just regarding this bit. Again, I have to say I'm not defending the response - it's been clearly awful - but an equal focus on it? On this occasion, not for me no - it's an emergency situation that is unparalleled. There has to be context in mind for this. There should be criticism of what Trump/Johnson have done (or not done really), but the core of the blame has to go to China. That isn't really happening at the moment.
But for future pandemics if no lessons are learned and we're this bad again? Then sure - a terrible response is negligence in its' own right. But again, if the virus hasn't occurred by fluke in a one off environment with little or no state control, and instead has came about due to negligence on a national level, then the lion's share of the blame has to be place on who caused it, not on who failed to react to it.
If this had happened in China and they'd have taken reasonable measures to stop it, I wouldn't be commenting.
I mean if China asks Trump "How can you blame us for not containing something that we had no knowledge or information about at the start when you still couldn't contain it in your country months later with lots more information?" what does he say? He is more or less a toddler so I guess he just screams "you started it!" for awhile right?
They should have known this was possible since SARS, arguably much earlier than that.
The fact they continued the same practice that caused SARS and now resulted in this is simply negligence.
I'm not holding China to any impossible standard; wet markets aren't a necessity of life. Bin them. Not hard.
TheBigIguana
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I just find this to be such a simple viewpoint on this whole crisis. There have been so many wrong decisions that have stopped this from being a better outcome and you're sat here wanting to punish the guy who tossed the cigarette into the brush to start the fire and let everyone who failed to put it out have a pass. It is toddler logic. You're pointing at China and yelling about them starting it so everyone else can excuse their own terrible actions.
If Trump comes out in a couple of months and says something to the effect of "China is fully responsible for the loss of life in America and there is nothing we could have done after their actions" would you actually believe that? And more importantly are you actually ok with him being let off the hook like that? I can assure you I am not.
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Blame China=our govt is extremely incompetent (in America this is by design and millions think is a good thing) and hell we don't really give a damn how many are dead. (This comes w/ a side dish of xenophobia for the mouth breathing supporters). But we aren't responsible because its all their fault. So vote for me and my administration.
Massing a global effort against China, sure why not they suck. Only China is the worlds No.1 diplomatic superpower. Its going to take years to form a broad coalition to bring in big changes. And you can't even start a diplomatic process until some of the isolationist leaders in places like the US and Britain are deposed, the virus is contained and economy is somewhat back to normal.
Its a lot easier to deal w/ the virus itself internally, if said govts even cared about containing it.
Think Abbott test is the one being used by the White House to test everyone...
Is it too much to expect China to be transparent or to lock the country down as a precaution since it's the epicentre of the disease? Is it too much to ask that they stop all flights out of the country temporarily and advising other countries to follow suit. As I recall they reacted angrily to countries that considered blocking flights from China.
Coronavirus: Critics ask why China allowed flights out of Hubei during outbreak
China may have allowed the new coronavirus to spread across the world by allowing international flights to and from Hubei province, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, while taking stronger measures to ensure the virus didn’t spread within China, according to the latest criticism of the country’s handling of the outbreak.
The ruling Communist party in China has previously been accused of underreporting cases and not communicating swiftly enough with the global community vital information about the virus, which first emerged in Wuhan in December 2019, including what the party knew about human-to-human transmission and just how fast it spread.
Now, critics have also suggested that China is partly to blame for the virus spreading globally because it continued to allow flights to Hubei for its own interests – while taking greater action to stop the spread within China.
Addressing China’s President Xi Jinping directly, historian Niall Ferguson wrote in an op-ed: “... after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China – on January 23 – but not from Hubei to the rest of the world?”
Ferguson’s accusations refer to China continuing to allow international travel long past January 23, the date when it imposed serious restrictions on travel within China in an attempt to quarantine Wuhan from the rest of the country.
On February 4, the Civil Aviation Administration of China requested that local airlines keep operating international flights to countries that hadn’t imposed restrictions on inbound travel, according to Reuters.
Behind the US, China is the world’s second-largest air travel market.
By early February, airlines around the world had cut flights to China, setting off economic shocks in the industry and stranding travelers. Infections climbed past 17,000 in over 20 countries by February 3.
Throughout January and February, China imposed lockdowns on its cities as the virus spread internally, but continued to allow international travel abroad.
It was only on March 27, by which point the coronavirus had become a global pandemic, that China barred foreign visitors from entering the country – after it began to report more cases of the virus being imported from abroad than were emerging domestically. It also limited Chinese and foreign airlines to one flight per week, and flights had to be not more than 75 percent full, the BBC reported.
Coronavirus: Critics ask why China allowed flights out of Hubei during outbreak
China may have allowed the new coronavirus to spread across the world by allowing international flights to and from Hubei province, the epicenter of the
english.alarabiya.net
TheBigIguana
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No not necessarily, but then the US hasn't been fully honest or locked down the country before it spread around either. Which is more the issue I have. Don't throw rocks from glass houses and all that.Is it too much to expect China to be transparent or to lock the country down as a precaution since it's the epicentre of the disease? Is it too much to ask that they stop all flights out of the country temporarily and advising other countries to follow suit. As I recall they reacted angrily to countries that considered blocking flights from China.
Coronavirus: Critics ask why China allowed flights out of Hubei during outbreak
China may have allowed the new coronavirus to spread across the world by allowing international flights to and from Hubei province, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, while taking stronger measures to ensure the virus didn’t spread within China, according to the latest criticism of the country’s handling of the outbreak.
The ruling Communist party in China has previously been accused of underreporting cases and not communicating swiftly enough with the global community vital information about the virus, which first emerged in Wuhan in December 2019, including what the party knew about human-to-human transmission and just how fast it spread.
Now, critics have also suggested that China is partly to blame for the virus spreading globally because it continued to allow flights to Hubei for its own interests – while taking greater action to stop the spread within China.
Addressing China’s President Xi Jinping directly, historian Niall Ferguson wrote in an op-ed: “... after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China – on January 23 – but not from Hubei to the rest of the world?”
Ferguson’s accusations refer to China continuing to allow international travel long past January 23, the date when it imposed serious restrictions on travel within China in an attempt to quarantine Wuhan from the rest of the country.
On February 4, the Civil Aviation Administration of China requested that local airlines keep operating international flights to countries that hadn’t imposed restrictions on inbound travel, according to Reuters.
Behind the US, China is the world’s second-largest air travel market.
By early February, airlines around the world had cut flights to China, setting off economic shocks in the industry and stranding travelers. Infections climbed past 17,000 in over 20 countries by February 3.
Throughout January and February, China imposed lockdowns on its cities as the virus spread internally, but continued to allow international travel abroad.
It was only on March 27, by which point the coronavirus had become a global pandemic, that China barred foreign visitors from entering the country – after it began to report more cases of the virus being imported from abroad than were emerging domestically. It also limited Chinese and foreign airlines to one flight per week, and flights had to be not more than 75 percent full, the BBC reported.
Coronavirus: Critics ask why China allowed flights out of Hubei during outbreak
China may have allowed the new coronavirus to spread across the world by allowing international flights to and from Hubei province, the epicenter of the
That's actually starting to look like an election killer for him. His base of elderly racists aren't too pleased at the blasé murder of them.
Long way to go yet but got to be concerning his reelection campaign to see those numbers, especially if they are true in say Florida.
This also bares watching given the number of blue collar workers he won in 2016
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May 13, 2020 at 4:02 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment
Howard Stern called on President Trump to resign from office, the New York Daily News reports.
Said Stern: “I do think it would be extremely patriotic of Donald to say ‘I’m in over my head and I don’t want to be president anymore.’ It’d be so patriotic that I’d hug him and then I’d go back to Mar-a-Lago and have a meal with him and feel good about him because it would be such an easy thing to do.”
Howard Stern called on President Trump to resign from office, the New York Daily News reports.
Said Stern: “I do think it would be extremely patriotic of Donald to say ‘I’m in over my head and I don’t want to be president anymore.’ It’d be so patriotic that I’d hug him and then I’d go back to Mar-a-Lago and have a meal with him and feel good about him because it would be such an easy thing to do.”
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