Dr. Rand Paul seems to think theres a chance the same amount would have died in NY if nothing was done. One day you’ll have a moment of clarity and realize that your political inspirations were absolute wasters.
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BirkenheadBlue
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Right, but how flimsy was the job market if it plunges to 15% in a couple of months? Some commentators reckon it's closer to 20. Even the UK don't come close to that. It had the veneer of a vibrant economy imo, but it was short term and transactional. Not unlike the big orange cryarse himself
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What utter nonsense.
I've asked @toffee9 this question three times and got no answer. It seems a very quick answer would do.
BirkenheadBlue
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You would think
Grinch
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Absolutely! Keep the Senate and turn the house!
BirkenheadBlue
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I mean when they’re displaying that sort of level of competence, it’s hard to argue.
KAGA!
New Zealand has no comparable population to the UK, in particular London.
South Korea habitually wear masks and are culturally ingrained into the idea of mass hygiene measures.
China started this pandemic. Johnson and Trump have been terrible but they didn't start this.
None of the above is nonsense.
Actually yes, there needs to be a concerted global effort against China over this. I don't know why you're acting like it's a ridiculous suggestion - they need a threat to get them to comply for the sake of the entire global population in regards to wet markets.
I'm the opposite of a nationalist - I can't stand England to be totally honest, especially London - and have no empirical nostalgia whatsoever. It's not about nation states; it's about the fact one country has such a total disregard for preventing life threatening illness that it's a major threat to us all.
See here's exactly the problem. We need solidarity with all countries to fight back against China. We must not allow them to bully our allies!
China Slashes Australian Beef, Barley Imports After Warning Against Coronavirus Probe
China slapped an import ban on four Australian abattoirs Tuesday in an escalation of Beijing’s warning of a consumer boycott in retaliation for Canberra’s push for an independent coronavirus probe.
The beef ban comes just days after China flagged plans to slap an 80 percent tariff on Australian barley, bringing the trade to its knees.
China Cuts Aussie Beef, Barley Imports After Warning Against Virus Probe
China slapped an import ban on four Australian abattoirs Tuesday in an apparent escalation of Beijing's warning of a consumer boycott.www.breitbart.com
Spot on.
Do you think Trump (in particular, I have obviously less strong feelings about Boris) would have handled this much better if the CCP had been entirely transparent?
I don't, and that's largely due to how he's handled it thus far. Rather than try and deal with the situation, he is worrying about things like "blame", which - normally, is something you worry about retrospectively to actually stemming the bleeding. Or worse - focusing about entirely separate (non)topics like "Obamagate".
So is China at least partially to blame here? Yes. But at some point, when someone's job is literally partially to protect his nation you kinda gotta hold that guy accountable for his performance during a crisis. You don't get a pass forever because someone else is part of a web of causality.
Basically - China's stance on wild animal trade likely led to the conditions for the virus to emerge; China's incredibly awful dictatorship then made things far, far worse by lying about it and preventing prompt response. Then we found out what was happening. Over two months ago. And the response hasn't improved much.
When is it ok to say this part is on our own governments? Never? Even if their decisions make things worse?
Not really. Italy may have been, and Spain, but the USA/UK had plenty of time to see that situation unfold and react and basically didn't do so.
I've lost count of how many times at this point that I've said I'm not defending Trump. He's been atrocious. Clearly.
But this isn't an act of God situation. This was entirely preventable from the outset if China hadn't have been grossly negligent.
So all attacking Trump and Johnson does is shield China - the blame is portioned elsewhere. I personally find that abhorrent. I can put my personal political feelings about those two idiots to one side and see where the laser focus should be.
The journo questions to them should be "what actions are you going to take in regards to China", but it's never asked. Don't you find that bizarre? Because I do. Instead, it's like they're gleeful that it's going badly so they can go on the attack, specifically in the USA. It's why I found that journalist faking the racism response embarrassing - they're not doing their jobs every bit as much as Trump isn't doing his.
It's OK to be critical of Johnson/Trump on matters of substance - PPE, testing capacity, worker safety standards and so on - but have some context about it as you do and also question what's going to be done to prevent this happening again. People aren't dying because of Trump/Johnson; they're dying because of China. The actions of Trump/Johnson effect the amount of people who will die, but that's not why people are dying in the first instance. It's like someone shoving a person off a cliff to certain death but people being more upset at the other bloke who chucked a few rocks at him on the way down instead - makes no sense to me.
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Wet markets are no doubt something that should be shuttered. But if that's the only lesson we take from this, and the only long term change we make, we've learned nothing at all. And I can almost guarantee in that scenario we will probably have another catastrophic even like this in my lifetime or my children's lifetime and it'll have nothing to do with China or wet markets. We have to take more away from this and we won't if we just blame China for it all.
Now I'm not sure if that's what you're saying but you sure do seem to bang on about China this and wet markets that a lot, and it makes me think that you actually do see this as a problem that starts and ends there. Starts there obviously is the truth but it can't end there when the outcomes around the world vary wildly based on the competence of the government response.
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