No man,
You're literally arguing that people should have been imprisoned without trial (for only 6 months! It's fine!) because their ancestors once lived in a different place.
It's not logic, it's insane racism, fear, and over-reaction.
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You're literally arguing that people should have been imprisoned without trial (for only 6 months! It's fine!) because their ancestors once lived in a different place.
It's not logic, it's insane racism, fear, and over-reaction.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Yes it was racism. I bet if you asked many across the country then they wouldn't have seen it that way.
Tubey has a point you know. Racism was not their reason so thats not why they did it. Fear was the driving factor. War times bring out the worst in people and governments. It also leads people to act rashly.
At that moment they had no idea how the Japanese had gotten so much Intel or how they could attack with such ease. They needed to act quickly.
We all agree now it was wrong and it was racist. No one should ever be locked up for no reason or because they look like someone else.
Last time I checked you are innocent until proven guilty. Internment based on race is and always will be wrong.
This is what I'm saying.
It was not "logic". It was A logic. And one in hindsight was proven incorrect. To defend the Japanese internment as anything other than a horrific stain on our collective history (among many) is absurd.
To say:
"We did this horrible thing once and it had to be done (even though most experts agree it didn't need to be done at all, because there was no actual threat of invasion or serious fifth column), ergo we should make the same mistake" is a weird argument.
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Good Lord almighty
Not sure he's defending it though.
Think his point was he understood why in 1941 the Americans took the steps to do it.
Fear and the unknown made them do it. It was definitely wrong and of course its a stain.
But again he can answer himself im just not sure he's defending the act itself.
It was a bad example on his part to link with his point about China thats for sure
They had absolutely no way of knowing that at the time.
We in the UK did the exact same thing to Germans and Italians and encamped them on the Isle of Man. It was based on nationality, not race. The logic is perfectly sound and any nation - even now - would do the exact same thing again.
The issue with the Japanese camps was them persisting when it was clear no threat existed, especially after Midway.
If you can't make the distinction and you're solely going on hindsight, I can't help you. But I maintain that the USA would have been utterly mental not to take that action at that time, for around 3 to 6 months.
Yes as I've said several times I'm defending the logic of it at a time of crisis. That's it.
I don't think it's a bad example I've gave at all - I can't help it if people can only think in terms of hindsight.
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It's a violation of human rights mate no matter what logic is being applied.
Trump justified in locking up people at the border too?
We should have locked up all Muslim people after 9/11 because *checks notes* sound logic.
Wait.
Let me lay this out as I read it:
Your argument is:
1) Japan attacked America
2) America had to protect itself and took an understandable, if incredibly unfortunate and admittedly racist action
this is equivalent to:
1) China has wet markets
2) We should do the same thing.
But we all agree now that 2 was a really bad choice *even in the context of the time*. They had no way of knowing. Ok, but we do! We have history to use as a guide. Turns out taking racist actions to protect your nation doesn't work out in the long run and should be avoided for potential (but entirely vague) short term benefit.
And that's before we touch on human rights.
So is arguably the implementation of lockdown during a pandemic, yet needs must in a crisis.
It's easy to be Captain Hindsight and very politically correct. It's a lot harder to put yourself in the shoes of others in a crisis.
Nope, because there wasn't a threat of a "Muslim invasion". Not remotely similar.
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