Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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not by a long shot.
I think Biden will take most of the swing states.
I think the GOP will lose the senate too.
After 2016 I have no trust in anything anymore.

But it feels like it will take a fair amount of election interference for some of the old blue states that went to Trump not swinging back - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the like.

But 2016 happened.
 
After 2016 I have no trust in anything anymore.

But it feels like it will take a fair amount of election interference for some of the old blue states that went to Trump not swinging back - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the like.

But 2016 happened.
Penn is his home state.
trumps bashing of the Michigan governor did not go down well there
maybe he picks Tammy Baldwin for VP and wins Wisconsin.
I think a continuation of ‘18 is more likely than a repeat of ‘16
 
Indeed, people commending trump for this don't have the first clue what the WHO do aside from the china incident, which does indeed mean they require reform and investigation but also doesn't make trumps actions any less of a stupid transparent and petulant play to his base
And seem to miss the fact that, imperfect as they are, the WHO is one of the few organizations that can help reduce the spread on poorer nations. Even if you don’t care about an avoidable higher death-toll in those nations, it will still mean a reservoir to spread infection to other countries.
 
Indeed, people commending trump for this don't have the first clue what the WHO do aside from the china incident, which does indeed mean they require reform and investigation but also doesn't make trumps actions any less of a stupid transparent and petulant play to his base
I have noticed a lot of WHO experts on the site recently.
 
No, because of the issue of negligence. I think that's the part people aren't getting here - that this virus was preventable if China hadn't have been negligent when they'd been given a very clear prior warning of the health issue that existed that was under their control.

Western countries employ intensive farming techniques and some have live animal markets, are you saying its impossible for a pandemic such as COVID-19 to originate in a western country? There was an outbreak of mad cow disease in the UK not that long ago if I remember rightly. That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not a scientist, not sure if you are.
 
Western countries employ intensive farming techniques and some have live animal markets, are you saying its impossible for a pandemic such as COVID-19 to originate in a western country? There was an outbreak of mad cow disease in the UK not that long ago if I remember rightly. That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not a scientist, not sure if you are.

Already answered it mate. We have health and safety standards and - taking your Mad Cow Disease as an example - the UK acted definitively on that and put in numerous inquiries and measures to stop it happening again. We did the same with the salmonella scare which saw the Red Lion mark brought in.

An even better example is Swine Flu, originated in a small part of Mexico in all likelihood, due to poor hygiene and animal practices. Since then studies have been done detailing how transmission is more likely due to the transport of pigs of different varieties etc. - I can't find the exact evidence (I've read it before) but I know for sure that measures have been put in place to make the likelihood of virus development from such farming techniques less likely. Not impossible, but less likely.

That's the difference - where this has happened before, actions have been taken to minimise the risk of it happening again. Yet what did China do after SARS? The square sum of nothing. If they'd have done anything differently or pro-actively then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but no - they closed the wet markets for the equivalent of five minutes, then re-opened them and it was business as usual.

That's why I call it uniquely negligent.
 
Already answered it mate. We have health and safety standards and - taking your Mad Cow Disease as an example - the UK acted definitively on that and put in numerous inquiries and measures to stop it happening again. We did the same with the salmonella scare which saw the Red Lion mark brought in.

An even better example is Swine Flu, originated in a small part of Mexico in all likelihood, due to poor hygiene and animal practices. Since then studies have been done detailing how transmission is more likely due to the transport of pigs of different varieties etc. - I can't find the exact evidence (I've read it before) but I know for sure that measures have been put in place to make the likelihood of virus development from such farming techniques less likely. Not impossible, but less likely.

That's the difference - where this has happened before, actions have been taken to minimise the risk of it happening again. Yet what did China do after SARS? The square sum of nothing. If they'd have done anything differently or pro-actively then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but no - they closed the wet markets for the equivalent of five minutes, then re-opened them and it was business as usual.

That's why I call it uniquely negligent.
And you think it’s ok to unfairly stigmatize all Asians living all over the world to achieve this?
 
And you think it’s ok to unfairly stigmatize all Asians living all over the world to achieve this?

No, I think its fair to stigmatise China.

I think it's impossible to blame China without some idiots taking advantage of it to have a go at Chinese people. It doesn't mean we should let China off the hook because of it. Its like how the US interned Japanese citizens because of the actions of Japan and how a spy enabled Pearl Harbour to happen - it had to be done.
 
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