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It was done for racist reasons and went on for too long but the logic was sound.
Should have lasted a max of six months but as I say, racism.
Anyway, off topic.
“The logic for internment camps for Japanese Americans was sound” is not a take I was expecting to read today.
The West Coast was the prime invasion zone for a Japanese invasion, and 100K of the population there were Japanese Americans.
At the time, when nobody knew Japan's plan or next step, not doing it would have been madness.
Maintaining it once the threat was gone was racism. The actual implementation of it initially was common sense.
Haven’t the US Both apologised For enacting internment and paid compensation/reparations? Sounds like they’re not convinced in hindsight it was the best move like .
pretty sure the Uk didn’t practise general internment at the time despite the risk of invasion being fairly high
pretty sure the Uk didn’t practise general internment at the time despite the risk of invasion being fairly high
We most certainly did.
You know Takeo Yoshikawa wasn't technically a spy. He was a naval officer in the Japanese consulate. He never had any dealing with the US military including the navy. He never spoke with or had any dealings with any officer nor was he ever on any US base.
He actually gathered all of his intelligence from miles away from pearl perched on a hill watching the comings and goings of the ships. So sure he was "spying" but not in the way many thought. In fact its what baffled the navy. Back then there was no officer of Asian heritage and they couldn't figure out what endgame any American would have to be a spy for the Japanese.
That's the thing there was never any master plan by the Japanese on the US side. They came by their knowledge by way off a guy who told them what he could observe from miles away.
Actually many officers in the Japanese navy were nervous and objected at first. They didn't think his intelligence was solid enough.
Sorry to reply to this too - yes, but mostly it was because of the ridiculous amount of time they kept the policy in place for - the duration of the entire war, even though the prospect of Japanese invasion was dead by Midway in '42.
You’re right we did , I realised as I sent it . And before I edited It you’d posted so didn’t want to look even more ridiculous by editing .
in partial defence of our government , which I admit could be past posting , they did kind of claim that it wasn’t their initial intention but some in response to domestic circumstances but obviously that’s easy to say .
it’s fine and appropriate you broke it Up . I’ve just scanned the speech by Reagan and I totally understand that your point may well be valid but it’s the actions he apologies for or seems to . In my defence , it’s been a long sunny day and I may have just had a small glass at this stage .
Good Lord Tubey, no it wasn’t common sense to lock up thousands of people including kids whose only “crime” was fhey had over 1/16th part Japanese heritage.
You are more extreme than even Ronald Reagan on this!
(W)e gather here today to right a grave wrong. More than 40 years ago, shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living in the United States were forcibly removed from their homes and placed in makeshift internment camps. This action was taken without trial, without jury. It was based solely on race, for these 120,000 were Americans of Japanese descent.
Indeed, hence why the internment policy came about because 100,000 Japanese Americans lived by the coast and just one of them had enabled the greatest attack on their soil.
There was another incident in the Pacific where a downed pilot reached a Japanese family and they tried to help him escape and murdered an American on US soil... can't recall the circumstances off the top of my head but that solidified the US response to Japanese citiziens too at the time.
As said, the logic was completely sound... if, you know, it'd had last 6 months at the very max. Logic and what actually happened are two very different things of course.
And yet we did it to Germans and Italians and sent them to the Isle of Man.
The racism was after the initial logic. I'm not defending how it was done over 3-4 years; I'm simply defending the logic - you have a potential invasion and a massive local population that could consist of a really damaging fifth column while preparing your defence. Take the risk away until you have more information.
To clarify. He wasn't American. He was part of Japanese navy not the American. He was Japanese born too and only on US soil as an attache for the consulate.
Either way I see the point you are making. I don't disagree with most of it either. I just wanted to mention Takeo and his exploits.
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