Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Ruairi77]

Take note Susan Collins and every other GOP senator (except possibly, gulp, mittens Romney)

good man Mittens!

 

[tsubaki]

good man Mittens!

that speech was one of the better ones

edit: though going out of his way not to criticize the rest of the GOP was absurd, as they'll be pressured into helping ruin him now

 

[LinekersLegs]

Cue the “I’m very disappointed“ speech in two weeks time when we find out Trump has been emboldened by the Senate vote and is doing even more outrageous acts to win reelection in 2020.

 

[Fedlingen]

Fair play Willard Mitt Romney. Good on you.

 

[TN Toffee]

Yeah they didnt like the fact that sex offender would be in office. If he got in, they wouldnt be the one to vote them in. Many people like that live in the South. They can be swayed by something like that. Back in like 2015 when Govenor Edwards in LA won, many Republicans turned their back on David Vitter (Republican) because he committed adultery. Now he is the only deep south Governor thats a Dem. Very simple mindset for people down here but its the way it works.

You’re not wrong about morality possibly being the top criteria in a lot of southerners minds. Which makes it all the more baffling that such a huge percentage of them have such unwavering support for Trump, a man who among MANY other things has literally boasted about sexually assaulting women.

 

[Ruairi77]

that speech was one of the better ones

edit: though going out of his way not to criticize the rest of the GOP was absurd, as they'll be pressured into helping ruin him now

I'd say he's fairly safe in Utah. Faith might trump party there.

 

[carolinablue232]

Great question. As I stated yesterday in the Democratic Noms thread:

"Yet Booker and Harris were bounced early. I have to agree with @tsubaki we really should have an "Obama-like" person to get behind right now, but instead we have an 80 year old socialist, a life long politician who can't string 2 sentences together, and a mayor of a mid-size town. There are only two that are currently hanging around that should given serious consideration, but one of them has the charisma of a lamp post.

So it's really just Warren then. And this is why, on top of ego, a guy like Bloomberg can sit back and say, ah what the hell, I've got two live cards in this family pot, deal me in.

I really liked Harris. I guess she had some smoking guns in her past as a DA but who cares. She was obviously intelligent, which has been so sorely lacking the last 3 years.

Honestly I don't know why the DNC doesn't just throw all their weight behind Adam Schiff and just command him to run, b/c no one is gonna be riding as high as he is right now among people that hate Trump and his ilk and will bring us back to governance by adulting."

It's frustrating. On the one hand I don't think Pete has a chance in the national election b/c he doesn't have enough experience. And god forbid, he's gay. I mean people are thinking that we aren't even ready for a woman President, so are we ready for a gay one? But all that aside, I mean look who's in the WH now, he had no experience and isn't even the least bit presidential. So who knows, anything is possible. He's moderate enough to win, for sure.

I think Bernie is too closely associated with "socialism" which people don't even understand what that really means, but it won't matter. It's a taboo word here, so I think he'll lose.

Warren is on the liberal side but she's whip-smart, and unlike Sanders the establishment does't hate her as much as Sanders. So that would be a possibility. She probably has my vote right now. I live in a state where none of this matters anyway b/c our primary is so late, but if it matters at all I'm leaning her way. Despite the fact I"m more of a moderate.

I just don't want Biden. Too old. A politician's politician. I fear it would be Hillary all over gain.

I"m still up in the air on Bloomberg. He's moderate. He may have too much center-right baggage to win the Democratic nomination. He's a billionaire that's not really likable. But one thing he has in spades is the STONES to take on Trump. He'd turn it into a New York brawl. Which would be fun to watch at least. I also think he's the one guy that could seriously get under Trump's skin. As we debated yesterday, that may not translate into any votes. But he wouldn't cower in the face of Trump. He'd bring Trumps game to him.

Well thought out. I didn’t agree with Harris on everything but she was someone I felt I could get behind, and she was also smart as a whip. She also seemed more reasonable with her approach to problems. Disappointed she didn’t make it further.

Gotta be honest though, when Sanders and Warren start talking about paying for what feels like everything for everyone they lose me. It’s idealistic in my eyes. And doing something like forgiving ALL student loan debt, upwards of $1 trillion I actually get upset about it. I’m all for helping people but life also has consequences and having gone through it and working my way out, I don’t have sympathy for those that just want it paid off. I also don’t think college should be free as they do. If you’re low income and qualified to go, absolutely subsidize it for that population. But if you decide to go, the reason it costs money is because its an investment to better yourself and your future earning potential. Maybe I’m just jaded.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Well thought out. I didn’t agree with Harris on everything but she was someone I felt I could get behind, and she was also smart as a whip. She also seemed more reasonable with her approach to problems. Disappointed she didn’t make it further.

Gotta be honest though, when Sanders and Warren start talking about paying for what feels like everything for everyone they lose me. And doing something like forgiving ALL student loan debt, upwards of $1 trillion I actually get upset about it. I’m all for helping people but life also has consequences and having gone through it and working my way out, I don’t have sympathy for those that just want it paid off. I also don’t think college should be free as they do. If you’re low income and qualified to go, absolutely subsidize it for that population. But if you decide to go, the reason it costs money is because its an investment to better yourself and your future earning potential. Maybe I’m just jaded.

I hear you there. I"m not a fan of forgiving debt either. At some level you have to take responsibility for your actions. I wouldn't be in favor of them doing that, but in reality, I don't see that actually happening if they win. I think there will be bigger more pressing issues, such as fixing health care.

Although I used to work for a for-profit education company, so I know first hand how many people were conned into paying for (having government debt pay for) worthless degrees.

Just like with everything, it's complicated. The reality is the government shouldn't have given carte blanche approval to all these loans in the first place. And the cost of education is spiraling out of control, and is increasingly becoming something only the rich can afford. No magic bullet here.

 

[SteveSC]

Can you help me see how she’s moderate because I really don’t see it. When she’s constantly touting things like free college and Meidc

If she has any reasonable chance of being candidate she needs to be on par with the other progressive candidates at this early stage. The party line seems to be about these two issues. As well as climate change.

Just like those on the right who continue to support Trump despite the many indiscretions and flaws. You risk losing your base and party support like @Grinch pointed out with regards to the GOP and Roy Moore.

If you are completely different they will try railroad you like many think the Democrats did with Sanders to push Clinton ahead.

It's why so many of the right see the left as being hardcore socialists now even though they still have no idea that the idea of socialism ideas have changed and is used even today by the GOP with some of their own ideals.

All politicians lie and exaggerate during their election run.

@Ruairi77 maybe able to give you more specific answers off the top of his head but you could always google her past successes, policies and ideas.

Remember Warren at one time was a Republican, a die hard as some had described her She changed when she felt some of what the left were doing met her ideals more than the right.

i implore you to stop being hooked in by the false narrative set by Trump and other GOP types that all of the left candidates are some hardcore left socialist types. Maybe go read up about each of them.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'd say he's fairly safe in Utah. Faith might trump party there.

Yeah Romney's pretty much untouchable in Utah.

But still, he didn't slink away like some others that could have voted to convict like Collins

 

[carolinablue232]

If she has any reasonable chance of being candidate she needs to be on par with the other progressive candidates at this early stage. The party line seems to be about these two issues. As well as climate change.

Just like those on the right who continue to support Trump despite the many indiscretions and flaws. You risk losing your base and party support like @Grinch pointed out with regards to the GOP and Roy Moore.

If you are completely different they will try railroad you like many think the Democrats did with Sanders to push Clinton ahead.

It's why so many of the right see the left as being hardcore socialists now even though they still have no idea that the idea of socialism ideas have changed and is used even today by the GOP with some of their own ideals.

All politicians lie and exaggerate during their election run.

@Ruairi77 maybe able to give you more specific answers off the top of his head but you could always google her past successes, policies and ideas.

Remember Warren at one time was a Republican, a die hard as some had described her She changed when she felt some of what the left were doing met her ideals more than the right.

i implore you to stop being hooked in by the false narrative set by Trump and other GOP types that all of the left candidates are some hardcore left socialist types. Maybe go read up about each of them.

Oh trust me I don’t listen to much of anything anymore since it’s always got a political slant to it. But I do read and watch the debates. And looking at her profile and current views, I don’t see much moderate thinking at all.

Where Elizabeth Warren stands on the biggest 2020 issues

Our policy team breaks down all of the presidential candidate’s proposals on the biggest issues driving the 2020 race.

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Also not sure if you saw the last debate but I always get itchy when candidates can’t speak to funding specifics or transition plans. And she couldn’t do that effectively at the time.

 

[Ruairi77]

great posts guys.
I only became a US citizen 11 years ago. I had the benefit of going right through to masters level all paid for by the Irish tax payer.
In my personal case, I'm not sure the free education system makes sense as I'm no longer reinvesting in the Irish system.
But in general, free third level education was an incredible move in Ireland and changed the country for ever. Affording everyone the ability to get fully educated turned the country from an unskilled labour market to a tech and pharma hub. The tax intake from the new educated workforce far outstripped the cost of educating the population.
In the states, the way I see it, college should be considered 13 to 16 grade. In the 21st century, stopping at 12th grade seems arbitrary. And why bother going to the hassle and expense of means testing it. Should we means test families who want to send their kids to public high school? Why charge or means test for public under grad/trade school.
Anyone who's super wealthy are still gonna send their kids to private college. But if these private colleges see all their potential smart students going to free public schools, they'll be forced to be competitive. What's happening now is robbery.
When it comes to loan forgiveness, I can see why it might cause upset but there are proven facts that forgiving debt for most students would be beneficial to the economy. So either you are put out because you have cleared your loans (myself and my wife for her debt in this case) or you're put out because you just paid 250k for a liberal arts degree and next years graduating class get it for free.
Either way someone is going to get put out but there's no way around that but free public education right up to 16th grade is the right thing to do.

 

[Ruairi77]

Also not sure if you saw the last debate but I always get itchy when candidates can’t speak to funding specifics or transition plans. And she couldn’t do that effectively at the time.

I agree, she comes off as clunky at times and I've found it frustrating that she seems to be laying on the 'Oklahoma girl, I'm just one of y'all' shtik a bit much.
She's not great at separating herself from other candidates who have roughly similar ideas. Pretty much all the Democrats have different levels of the same ideas.
But she would be good up against trump. We saw that here when she took on Scott Brown. She's never been super popular here, some think she's an educated elitist, but when it came down to facts, she eviscerated Brown, even when he played the Pocahontas card.
At the end of the day it comes down to electability, and I hope she has it.

edit, oops, didnt realize i wasnt in the 2020 primary thread, doh..

 

[carolinablue232]

great posts guys.
I only became a US citizen 11 years ago. I had the benefit of going right through to masters level all paid for by the Irish tax payer.
In my personal case, I'm not sure the free education system makes sense as I'm no longer reinvesting in the Irish system.
But in general, free third level education was an incredible move in Ireland and changed the country for ever. Affording everyone the ability to get fully educated turned the country from an unskilled labour market to a tech and pharma hub. The tax intake from the new educated workforce far outstripped the cost of educating the population.
In the states, the way I see it, college should be considered 13 to 16 grade. In the 21st century, stopping at 12th grade seems arbitrary. And why bother going to the hassle and expense of means testing it. Should we means test families who want to send their kids to public high school? Why charge or means test for public under grad/trade school.
Anyone who's super wealthy are still gonna send their kids to private college. But if these private colleges see all their potential smart students going to free public schools, they'll be forced to be competitive. What's happening now is robbery.
When it comes to loan forgiveness, I can see why it might cause upset but there are proven facts that forgiving debt for most students would be beneficial to the economy. So either you are put out because you have cleared your loans (myself and my wife for her debt in this case) or you're put out because you just paid 250k for a liberal arts degree and next years graduating class get it for free.
Either way someone is going to get put out but there's no way around that but free public education right up to 16th grade is the right thing to do.

Should there be no boundaries to what is and isn’t paid for? Should tax dollars be there to pay for the kid who wants to study art history, knowing they’re likely not going to be returning that to the economy? Or should we incentivize kids to go into STEM programs, known were well behind in those areas compared to some others. You make some solid points but if you’re going to tell me my tax dollars are going to help pay off 200k of debt for Tommy because he just had to go study acting at an expensive college rather than community college, and now he makes no money, I’m going to push back. Dreams are fine but they aren’t free.

Again, I’m jaded. I took loans for undergrad, paid them off, and then worked full time while going to get my masters full time just so I could avoid more debt.

As someone else stated though, we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

 

[BlueTX]

i implore you to stop being hooked in by the false narrative set by Trump and other GOP types that all of the left candidates are some hardcore left socialist types. Maybe go read up about each of them.

All due respect, asking the average American voter to read up about candidates and policy positions is folly. The hardcore of each side knows the various talking points on policy but a very, very large percentage of Americans are not hardcore and couldn't be asked to spend 10 minutes reading position papers or websites for details.

National campaigns are won on emotion and, IMO, this election isn't likely to be won by a Dem who can be branded (true or not) a big government Socialist. It's a giant turn-off for independents as well as Republicans who cannot stand the POTUS and might be swayed to switch sides (yes, they exist). The next time a candidate who espouses free college or elimination of student debt or Medicare for All actually turns out a large percentage of young (18-30) voters it will be the first. I simply do not believe in a wave of young idealists tipping an election. I'm certainly not going to bank on it happening on one of this level of importance.

The election has to be about one thing and one thing only. Removing the Cheeto stain from the White House. Period. Nothing else matters because anything Progressives may want to do on whatever pet issue cannot be accomplished with that idiot in power.

I've got friends on the ground in Iowa. None of them see the energy and passion behind a specific candidate as they did with Obama in 2008. It's troubling. Personally, I was waiting for a candidate to emerge before devoting time, money, energy in this race and I just don't see that person among those campaigning in Iowa. So I've just about made the decision to bite the bullet and get behind the one person who seems to have the career bona fides, gravitas, bankroll, focus and media savvy to win at the top of the ticket - Mike Bloomberg.

I may need to take an extra shower each day after writing that but if that's what it takes...