Grinch
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There will be a libertarian nominee as well..
Im referring to to far left with most of their policies.
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BirkenheadBlue
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I don't pretend to know the ground there in NC. I floated the notion specifically given an audience of Republicans to gauge their response. It was instructive.
Grinch
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Do they really need to be stated? I think we all know what far left policies are. and on third party candidates, some really have good viewpoints and they just get overlooked because the money isn't there for them as the two big parties.
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I'm really not convinced we all do, no, especially given the composition of that group of 3 that you've put up there.
Yeah but the thing is... their viewpoints are, when all is said and done, irrelevant, because... drumroll.... they won't win. I'm sure (well actually, I'm not, but for the sake of argument) that they have some great viewpoints, and in an ideal world that would mean something, but unfortunately we all have to play on the field that actually exists in reality.
Particularly in an election like this one, where one candidate has demonstrated himself to be utterly unfit to hold office, 3rd party candidates are massively dangerous.
Grinch
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I will see come time of the actual debates of nominee Vs President. I always go into it with an open mind
BirkenheadBlue
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I'm honestly not trying to catch you out - I'm genuinely intrigued to hear how you think Warren, Sanders and Biden have each "gone too far" leftI will see come time of the actual debates of nominee Vs President. I always go into it with an open mind
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Huh. I wouldn't consider Klobuchar to be on the left. I don't think she'd have such a productive legislative record if she weren't a centrist.
I'm for Warren myself but I was impressed by the story of Klobuchar eating her salad with a comb when no fork was available. Pragmatic solutions to the problems of real Americans, like.
Grinch
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Ok here me out and please don't gang up on me... I know @RAFUH is lerking lol. I only vote for whats good more me and my family keep in mind from a very Republican Deep South. A few viewpoints that do not like would include (No particular order just off of my memory):
1. Slashing defense budget
2. Eliminating tax break for offshoring (Louisiana thrives off of oil)
3. Slashing defense budget
4. Border/Immigration
5. Weapons bans
6. Electoral College Elimination
7. Felons the right to vote (Small rural towns in my state would be run over by prisoners. Most cities literally just have a prison)
8. Free College/Healthcare/Cancel student debt
9. Minimum wage is all states 15$
Just to show I am in the middle on issues:
1. Afforable housing
2. Eliminating private prison
3. Paid Leave for women/men
4. Boost in teacher overall pay
5. Reducing carbon emissions
6. Agribusiness
7. Nutrition free in all schools for children
8. Background check for weapons
9. Abortion
10. Marijuana
All I can think of. Sorry if I forgot important issues
Thanks for taking the time to do that. Most wouldn't so fair play to you.
Curious about Electoral College. It's a sore spot with me. Why keep it?
BirkenheadBlue
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Ok not ganging up on you at all, it would be nice to have a sensible conversation... What I would say is that the three candidates you listed have wildly different views on a range of subjects - particularly Biden who is WAY further towards the centre than the other two.
Just to pick out a few of those you highlighted:
1. Slashing defence budget.
The US's defence spending is currently just under 4x the spend of the next highest spending country, and about 8x that of 3rd place. Is there not a case to be made that SOME of that money could be better spent elsewhere?
2. Border/Immigration
Since immigrants are net contributors to the economy, commit less crime per capita than native born Americans and provide much needed labour to an aging US population, what particular aspect of their immigration policy is it that you have issue with?
3. Free Healthcare
What's your issue with this? As a Brit I find it absolutely astonishing that people would actively WANT a system which ALREADY spends several times more per total capita of population (just in terms of PUBLIC money) for healthcare that covers only part of the population than we spend on covering the entire country... and that's without even factoring in the VAST US spending on private health insurance.
4. Weapons bans
To be honest, none of the candidates are nearly as far left as I'd like on this topic, and only one of the three you mentioned supports an outright ban on assault weapons, which I assume you object to? Though again I'd be curious to know why so keen to hold on to those sorts of weapons specifically. Biden and Bernie both support a VOLUNTARY buy back program. Surely this is ok?
In fact the only thing I could find that all 3 line up on is supporting universal background checks. Is there something about that as a policy you strongly object to?
Grinch
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Only reason I say keep it is to account for the smaller states who would be pointless if the electoral college is rid of. I like it because it means all candidates must tend to each states need atleast in my mind. If not the candidates would only care about Texas, California Illinois, New York, Penn and Florida. They wouldnt care less about what people in the Midwest, south think. Only reason I think it should stay.
Yeah like I said, im in the South so the weapon ban just doesnt sit well with me. I love to hunt at my camp to put meat in my freezer as well as go to the shooting range for fun. Free healthcare.. I only vote for myself/family. We all work and are very happy with my healthcare. The system is already taken advantage of by millions so I could only imagine if people can go as much as they want for a little cut wasting a spot in a hospital bed for someone who really needs it. Border/Immigration, im fine with people coming through the right way. More than happy to have a "mixing pot" in the states. Get a work permit, visa etc. I just find it baffling that people can come over, touch land and be given healthcare, education, etc. If you are truly escaping trouble in your own country, please just go through immigration route. In Louisiana, we get alot of that overflow from Texas, New Mexico etc so just tax money going to waste. It just didnt sit well with me the backlash the border patrol or wall funding/repair got. And defence budget, I know we spend excess. I would rather spend enough or more than needed than slashing it. My buddies got their first raise in years! I was so happy for them.
The campaigns as currently run totally ignore most of the smaller states as well as the biggest because they are safely in the pocket of one party or the other in the winner-take-all scenario (which is not at all what the Founders envisioned). Campaigns are almost entirely focused on a handful or so of swing states. 70% of general election events took place in these states in 2016. I'd wager the percentage will be higher in 2020.
From a philosophical standpoint, it concerns me that a voter in North Dakota has more say over who is POTUS than you do as a resident of Louisiana. That citizen already has a disproportionate advantage over you (and me as a resident of Texas) in the US Senate. Further, it is bothersome that the state where the POTUS received the 3rd highest total of votes among all the states simply did not count. At all. The POTUS got 3 million votes in California. That's more than he received in total in nearly 20 other states and not one of them counted for anything.
As I see it, the EC is an antiquated system that was a poor compromise at the founding. It has not worked as envisioned from the very beginning and does not function today anything like envisioned in the late 1700s.
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John Oliver's labeling of the the whole scandal as 'Stupidgate' sums it up perfectly.
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