Haha, you think I believe Prevenger to be a coward because of his political beliefs? Come on now.
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Haha, you think I believe Prevenger to be a coward because of his political beliefs? Come on now.
Perhaps, most people seem to have their mind made up one way or the other.
Seems to be keeping the President himself awake though judging by his twitter feed.
McConnell stating his #1 goal was to make Obama a one term president started my hatred of him. He is not qualified to be a senator with that sort of partisanship.
In all honesty, as someone who I assume would like to see the President removed one way or the other.
Don't you think there is some "boy who cried wolf" element to the lack of public interest in this?
If you've identified some genuine public servants in Congress I'd love to learn about them.
The President is a vanity obsessed man child
I don't think he's concerned about the ramifications of impeachment other than to his ego.
Such a lazy response.
Good to see we can agree on something at this festive time of year lol
Don't be ridiculous.
I like McConnell because he promotes my interests, not because he's a gentleman and a scholar. The number of decent human beings in Congress is a small figure. If you think otherwise - I envy your lack of cynicism.
I can see why that might be a perception but I actually don't think the boy has ever cried wolf.
There was grounds for impeachment based on the obstruction uncovered in the Mueller report.
And even if the boy was crying wolf, it's no reason not to proceed now.
You don’t have to agree with all of these to say there is a pattern of inappropriate behavior
In an alternate timeline there would have been articles of impeachment against Hillary the moment she sacked Comey
Without relitigating Russia, obstruction arose out of that debacle. Media went on endlessly about something that was shown not to be true, as did politicians on the left, and many are still ardently convinced of it despite neutral conclusions to the contrary. So while I'll credit your obstruction argument (though I disagree), that grew out of something that was, in large part, baseless.
I'm biased obviously, but my impression is that the general public consensus is that the Democrats were going to bring us to this moment regardless of the significance of the impropriety, and that what has ultimately gotten us here just isn't of much interest to them. And I think that's true. Basically, I think it's likely true the motives are corrupt even if the underpinnings of impeachment have merit.
I disagree. I think many politicians on the left genuinely believe that Trump gave tactic approval for Russia to interfere in the 2016 election and was happy to profit from their actions. Trump using pressure to try to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into a 2020 rival indicates that, with the power of the presidency behind him, foreign governments will be encouraged to be involved in 2020. I don’t think it is a coincidence that of the many questionable things that Trump has done, foreign election interference is at the heart of both of the two primary complaints.
To clarify, I was referring to the Ukraine issue being of little interest to the public. As in - the Democrats will try every impeachment shoe until it fits, and the Ukraine one may do so but without generating any real public interest.
As for election interference, the first one is largely debunked regardless of firmly-held beliefs of those on the left. I don't think the Ukraine situation qualifies as "election interference" in my view, but can anticipate the arguments made on both sides and understand the basis for that allegation.
Now in reality I don't think Democrats truly care about Russian influence or Ukranian collusion. We're talking about a group of people that by and large mocked a Presidential candidate for claiming Russia as a major threat to the country. If Democrats think Trump is going to win in 2020 because of foreign interference, rather than their ongoing inability to find another candidate who can connect with Americans, that's a political miscalculation IMO. But they could truly believe it.
Apologies, I did misread.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether Democrats concern about foreign interference is genuine. You can think that Russian 2016 interference was serious, and if repeated could affect elections in the future (for either side) but wasn’t what lost Hillary 2016.
Btw what does qualify to you as “election interference”? Is it solely ballot manipulation?
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