what was @adversus saying last time? what part of the states was he pretending to live in?
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Hilarious you are asking me to step outside my bubble but you are directly repeating the insane stupid sh*p trump supporters do. The lying nonsense they spout and dont see why we think you are a fox news fan which by the way nowadays is not literal it defines your thoughts or lack thereof.
The fact you missed my point and can't comprehend what i was saying shows how ignorant you are. One without his own thoughts.
You just repeat the same nonsense the many others have in this thread who ultimatly end up being racists or multis. You show no compassion to kids in cages and want to blame the left for that and think a wall will stop it haha
Go ahead and do your own research its a bigger picture than simply saying they all want a better life, that was the point of my post too you. Look at the influences from organizations like the NRA and big donors and frankly the history of this country.
Also Trump once hinted and talked about taking legal visas away from immigrants albeit it tanned ones or muslim ones. Its dangerous territory.
A green card can be rescinded which is what i am guessing you have?
You are the one living in the bubble.
As for a point of view what is yours exactly? Other than repeating lies you dont seem to have one.
You so far have ignored facts and are playing dumb to responses.
This guy lives in chicago and new york apparently and seems to only post between the hours of 1am and 4am his local time depending on the city he is claiming to be in.
Think it was one of the southern states he reckoned he was living in.
I would also be suspicious of an @adversus resurrection if this was a relatively new account. Could be playing the long game though. Legend
I don't think its him, he wss another level of crazy.
Liamg played the long game too and toffy both seemed to post sparingly throughout a given month. Both were exact the same as this chap and both ended up having the same views although toffy went with the aussie angle
So now the deflection on the semantics of what to call the camps hasn’t worked you’re going to go to the next standard deflection “what about Obama”?
And no, I didn’t pay enough attention to this issue under his administration and so didn’t criticize the conditions as I should and I regret that. But that is precisely why I feel I should do better this time - two wrongs don’t make a right.
Thankfully those lawyers, who you are dismissing as political, were not as complacent as I and they were exactly the same people who brought attention to this issue under Obama. It is not just their reporting either that suggests that there are awful conditions - the government’s own inspectors say they are bad.
So rather than go down your other attempted rhetorical rabbit holes of “America lets in more immigrants”, “homelessness” or whatever chaff you want to throw out to distract let us circle back to the pressing issue at hand of the conditions in those camps - sick kids are sleeping on concrete floors without decent food or sanitation and government lawyers are arguing that should be continued.
I believe that should shock and horrify anyone, regardless of who they support.
Honestly think you could make a killing off a line hats and t shirts with this slogan. There's a whole market of St. Domingos out tgere who would lap it up
You are missing the real future money maker Prev “It is all AOC’s fault”.
If @st.domingo follows the standard pattern the next deflection will be a passing acknowledgment that the conditions in the camps aren’t great but that it is Dems in general (but AOC in particular) who are really to blame.
Of course that would ignore that improving conditions in the temporary holding facilites garner bipartisan support ( https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/house-inches-toward-border-deal-1370523) and remain unexplained how AOC forces the government lawyer below to argue as she does.
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Here's the difference between Trump and Obama on immigration (see below); this piece is written by an immigration lawyer who wasn't "their" [sic] for political reasons. But I'm sure you won't actually bother to read it. Oh, and that last bolded point, above, is quite telling...are you sure you're not Toffy? Or is the "liberals should house in an immigrant" another independently generated thought from your highly independent I-don't-watch-Fox-News mind?
I think most know, but in case people don’t, I’m an immigration lawyer. Made the switch about 2 years ago after a career in which I mostly did patent and trademark litigation. I’m currently a solo practitioner in the DC area and the majority of my clients are asylum-seekers from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. I’ve tried – and even won – asylum trials in immigration court, and have interviewed literally thousands of undocumented individuals to hear their stories and evaluate the merits of their cases.
Prior to zero tolerance (I’ll just use ZT to denote going forward), a mother and 2 sons leave El Salvador because of gang violence or domestic violence. They pay a “coyote” to take them and a bunch of other folks to the US border. These are mostly people with second grade educations, and they know [Poor language removed] all about US immigration law. They cross the border and are apprehended. Pretty much 100% of border crossers in 2018 are apprehended, and it’s been that way since about 2010. All the “border security” measures that have gone into effect since 2005 when GWB proposed an amnesty have increased the number of border patrol and the technology they use to patrol. Of the thousands of undocumented individuals I have interacted with, literally not a single one entered the US after 2010 and was not apprehended at or near the border. The dirty little secret of immigration policy is that the border is already secure.
If this mother and 2 children were apprehended prior to ZT, they were taken to a detention center along the border. There are many such centers in southern Texas, southern AZ and southern CA. The parents and children were not separated for any appreciable length of time. Never. Anybody who says different is misinformed. Or lying. Your mileage may vary. If the parent stated that she wanted asylum, she was given what is called a Credible Fear Interview, in which she detailed the reasons for leaving El Salvador. The purpose of the CFI is not to finally adjudicate whether to grant asylum – that is done by an immigration judge or by USCIS. If the CFI states that there is no credible fear of return to your home country, you are deported. If after the interview, it is determined that you have a credible fear of returning to your country, then you are given a Notice to Appear that is the document that begins the immigration court process. It states that you are not a US Citizen or legal permanent resident, you are not here under a visa, you are a citizen of El Salvador, and you are removeable under the Immigration and Naturalization Act (INA). Asylum is a defense to removal in immigration court. An asylum-seeker files form I-589, along with as much evidence as she can obtain to support the asylum claim. The immigration judge determines whether to grant asylum or deny. Denial means removal, aka deportation. You can appeal a negative decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals, and after that to the federal appeals circuit that covers your area – 6th circuit for those in Michigan and Ohio, 4th circuit for Virginia and Maryland, 7th circuit for Illinois and Wisconsin, for example.
While in detention, the families would be kept together. ICE would determine whether to release on own recognizance or under a bond. Typically, they do not do so, and so the immigrant can ask the immigration judge to release them under bond. Bond rules in immigration court are the same as in regular court – if you are deemed a danger to the community or a flight risk, bond can be denied and you are detained throughout the pendency of your case. Rarely were parents with children denied bond altogether. They were usually released within anywhere from 2 days to 2 months. Again, when there are children, they would try and expedite their release so they’re not sitting in a detention center for months at a time.
Now, under ZT, the administration is criminally charging the parents and using that as the facade to separate the children from the parents. Obviously, if someone is arrested for suspicion of a crime, and he/she has children, that person is separated from the children. So that is how they are accomplishing the separations – by criminally indicting the parents. A first unlawful entry into the US is a misdemeanor, lesser penalty than possession of a small amount of marijuana for personal use. So no prior administration took the step of criminally prosecuting these people, and especially not for the express purpose of separating the families as a deterrent to future immigrants as the administration admits it is doing.
There is obviously a TON more information than this, but I think this at least lays out the current situation with family separation, why it’s happening, and how prior administrations dealt with it.
Inside a Texas Building Where the Government Is Holding Immigrant Children
Warren Binford, a lawyer who has been interviewing children held in the detention facilities, was so disturbed by what she saw that she decided to talk to the media.
So, on Wednesday, we received reports from children of a lice outbreak in one of the cells where there were about twenty-five children, and what they told us is that six of the children were found to have lice. And so they were given a lice shampoo, and the other children were given two combs and told to share those two combs, two lice combs, and brush their hair with the same combs, which is something you never do with a lice outbreak. And then what happened was one of the combs was lost, and Border Patrol agents got so mad that they took away the children’s blankets and mats. They weren’t allowed to sleep on the beds, and they had to sleep on the floor on Wednesday night as punishment for losing the comb. So you had a whole cell full of kids who had beds and mats at one point, not for everybody but for most of them, who were forced to sleep on the cement.Inside a Texas Building Where the Government Is Holding Immigrant Children
Warren Binford, a lawyer who has been interviewing children held in the detention facilities, was so disturbed by what she saw that she decided to talk to the media.www.newyorker.com
I'll I can say to that is just because you're poor, you don't have the right to come to America. And if you think that's selfish or whatever, next time you see a homeless person on the street, give him or her your wallet, take him to back to your house and give him your spare room. DERP.
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Seems to have had a less poetic rewrite doesn’t it?
Who would have thought.
On reading this topic for the first time in a while, and it's still the same old posters throwing about the same old stuff.
@toffy, @adversus, @LiamG must be hiding amongst some other posters.
It's disappointing to see that TDS is still alive and well.
I guess it is such great concern to some of you that there exists more than one person who doesn't share the same opinions or beliefs as yourself that to make it better you want it to be the one person using multis.
It's laughable and pathetic.
This topic now and has been for a long time somewhere for people to just gather and post and discuss anything that is anti-trump and talk about how bad he is doing. Dare to suggest otherwise or present your opinion and it's not in line with the SJW of the left, you get shouted down, labelled a bigot, racist, idiot and others.
I don't post much at all, preferring to read through this forum every now and then when time would permit, but this topic in particular and some others really put an end to that.
I thought this is meant to be a place to discuss topics and at times debate. From what I can tell this topic is anything but and hasn't been for a while.
Anyway @St. Domingo , do yourself a favor and give yourself a rest from this topic. You'll be amazed at what it'll do for you. Such constant negativity is not good for anyone. You're not going to engage in healthy debate here whilst suggesting Trump does some good. After all, the evils of America are solely down to him.
As for me, when I visit again I'll know what to expect:
- you sure you're not @toffy
- watches fox news (kinda difficult when I don't have it as a channel on my TV, but hey)
On reading this topic for the first time in a while, and it's still the same old posters throwing about the same old stuff.
@toffy, @adversus, @LiamG must be hiding amongst some other posters.
It's disappointing to see that TDS is still alive and well.
I guess it is such great concern to some of you that there exists more than one person who doesn't share the same opinions or beliefs as yourself that to make it better you want it to be the one person using multis.
It's laughable and pathetic.
This topic now and has been for a long time somewhere for people to just gather and post and discuss anything that is anti-trump and talk about how bad he is doing. Dare to suggest otherwise or present your opinion and it's not in line with the SJW of the left, you get shouted down, labelled a bigot, racist, idiot and others.
I don't post much at all, preferring to read through this forum every now and then when time would permit, but this topic in particular and some others really put an end to that.
I thought this is meant to be a place to discuss topics and at times debate. From what I can tell this topic is anything but and hasn't been for a while.
Anyway @St. Domingo , do yourself a favor and give yourself a rest from this topic. You'll be amazed at what it'll do for you. Such constant negativity is not good for anyone. You're not going to engage in healthy debate here whilst suggesting Trump does some good. After all, the evils of America are solely down to him.
As for me, when I visit again I'll know what to expect:
- you sure you're not @toffy
- watches fox news (kinda difficult when I don't have it as a channel on my TV, but hey)
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