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WTF were their teachers doing letting the situation escalate that far?

Absolutely.

Likewise, just as Jordan Peterson should no longer be employed at a university, neither should people who publicly write things like this:


What an absurd country. A pox on all their houses, the children and especially the adults.

The Black Israelites (a long-standing nutters' cult) are probably the only ones in this whole mess who managed to conform to their own standards.
 
I'd go as far as to suggest the kid was being respectful to stand his ground and not react to an elderly gentleman storming towards him and playing his little drum right in his face. There was no form of anger whatsoever in the lad, no aggressive body language, nothing. He simply smiled and let the guy get on with it.

What a disgusting media narrative they have all been able to forge.

Let's hope for Republican re-elecation in 2020.
 
That definitely played a part in him winning the first time

The problem is that a lot of people on the left just refuse to accept this, which is why I also fear that he'll win again

Lessons haven't been learnt from the first time around
If an "own the libs" mentality was one of the reasons Trump won, what is to be done about that? What is the prescription for changing the mentality of someone who votes for POTUS based on an idea of "sticking it to 'em"?

Sorry, Hillary Clinton did not lose the election because a horde of mouth-breathers and culture warriors turned up. She lost because she is uninspiring personally and ran a campaign almost singularly focused on HIS foibles (LOOK!! Bad man. Dumb man. He cheats, too!!) and so the vote she should have turned out didn't. Still, she "lost" by the utter slimmest of margins despite a 3 million vote edge.

As mentioned previously, it's no fait accompli Trump will lose the next election. Who knows what happens in the next 18 months or so? But every poll today that has a named Dem v Trump has the Dem ahead by a substantial margin with Trump's support never wavering from the consistent 41-42% of the vote he has always and likely always will get from the "own the libs" and Christopublicans.
 
No, quite the opposite, they only came about after the full unedited video surfaced. Prior to that everyone was on the elders side and had believed all the comments he made to the media, most of which were later proven to be false after the unedited video surfaced.



Yes they are obnoxious teenagers, no ones denying that but millions of teenagers around the world make crap edgy jokes every single day. I’m fairly sure I said some dumb stuff when I was 15 or 16 as well.

I mean that’s all this story is really, some kids being obnoxious and because they had the MAGA hat on it went viral. Take away the MAGA hat and there is no media interest or story.
Having watched the full video (90 mins of my life I’m never ever getting back - I guess I just disagree with some of the characterisations.

I’m sure I said some dumb stuff at that age too.

I know for damn sure I never made monkey noises at a group of black guys (provoked or otherwise). Nor did I yell at girls that they might enjoy being raped.

But then I also never went on a march with a bunch of other lads to try to tell women what they can and can’t do with their own bodies, so you know... horses for courses
 
I'd go as far as to suggest the kid was being respectful to stand his ground and not react to an elderly gentleman storming towards him and playing his little drum right in his face. There was no form of anger whatsoever in the lad, no aggressive body language, nothing. He simply smiled and let the guy get on with it.

What a disgusting media narrative they have all been able to forge.

Let's hope for Republican re-elecation in 2020.
So were the other Covington kids who parted ways for the elderly gentlemen just snowflakes who should have stood their ground and let him play "his little drum right in their faces?"

Yes, most media (liberal and conservative) have not covered themselves in glory here.
 
If an "own the libs" mentality was one of the reasons Trump won, what is to be done about that? What is the prescription for changing the mentality of someone who votes for POTUS based on an idea of "sticking it to 'em"?

Sorry, Hillary Clinton did not lose the election because a horde of mouth-breathers and culture warriors turned up. She lost because she is uninspiring personally and ran a campaign almost singularly focused on HIS foibles (LOOK!! Bad man. Dumb man. He cheats, too!!) and so the vote she should have turned out didn't. Still, she "lost" by the utter slimmest of margins despite a 3 million vote edge.

As mentioned previously, it's no fait accompli Trump will lose the next election. Who knows what happens in the next 18 months or so? But every poll today that has a named Dem v Trump has the Dem ahead by a substantial margin with Trump's support never wavering from the consistent 41-42% of the vote he has always and likely always will get from the "own the libs" and Christopublicans.
There are about 20 reasons Hillary lost, and if any one of them hadn’t happened, she wouldn’t have lost. Trying to pin it on any one factor is an exercise in futility
 
Having watched the full video (90 mins of my life I’m never ever getting back - I guess I just disagree with some of the characterisations.

I’m sure I said some dumb stuff at that age too.

I know for damn sure I never made monkey noises at a group of black guys (provoked or otherwise). Nor did I yell at girls that they might enjoy being raped.

But then I also never went on a march with a bunch of other lads to try to tell women what they can and can’t do with their own bodies, so you know... horses for courses

Have you got a time stamp for this ? Because I certainly don’t recall that happening and I’ve not even seen anyone kick off about it on twitter either.

Also I doubt those kids have any kind of nuanced opinion on abortion, they went to the march as part of a school trip... if you had been brought up in a catholic school in America with conservative parents then who knows what you’d have been like. I said it earlier but we’re all a product of our environment, especially at a young age.
 
Have you got a time stamp for this ? Because I certainly don’t recall that happening and I’ve not even seen anyone kick off about it on twitter either.

Also I doubt those kids have any kind of nuanced opinion on abortion, they went to the march as part of a school trip... if you had been brought up in a catholic school in America with conservative parents then who knows what you’d have been like. I said it earlier but we’re all a product of our environment.
To be fair, it was more actions than noises, apologies for that. Don’t have a time stamp, and with the best will in the world I’m not going to sit here at work going through the video again. I did find a twitter threat which annotated the video minute by minute - I thought I had retweeted it, but apparently not. If I can find that later, I’ll post it.

And yes, obviously we’re all products of our environment, and don’t worry, I have even more of a problem with the actions of their school and their parents than I do with the kids’ themselves.
 
I'd go as far as to suggest the kid was being respectful to stand his ground and not react to an elderly gentleman storming towards him and playing his little drum right in his face. There was no form of anger whatsoever in the lad, no aggressive body language, nothing. He simply smiled and let the guy get on with it.

What a disgusting media narrative they have all been able to forge.

Let's hope for Republican re-elecation in 2020.

Exactly like the people you're complaining about, you too are only watching those bits of the video which are consistent with your pre-conceived ideas.

This was not an episode that edifies anyone.

It is a very punchable face though

On that, I couldn't possibly comment.

Academic integrity and the right to produce controversial research without being sanctioned (which is not to say without being challenged) is fundamental to the concept of education. Without this, there is no point.

When people like Aslan trivialise the protections they still nominally enjoy by invoking them after throwing tempur-tantrums on the internet, it discredits the entire profession, and debilitates the principle of freedom of speech when it is needed most - when, for example, Charles Murray disciples team up to have to Middle Eastern Studies researchers fired for telling the truth about Israel.

With privilege comes responsibility. Nobody who could allow themselves to speak of violence against a student - in any context, jest or otherwise, and however petulant the brat may have been - is sufficiently mature to be in front of a classroom.
 
On another issue (though still media related) this whole buzzfeed thing is interesting.

The story when it broke I found to be utterly unsurprising and consistent with what we know of the actors involved. The authors of the story (despite working for an outlet with a ridiculous name) have a very good record on breaking news around these issues (Steele dossier and Trump Tower meeting stories).

Then obviously Mueller’s office came out with a pretty strong denial. Something they’ve not done before.

When that happened, fully expected the story to be withdrawn... only for Buzzfeed to not only stand by their story and their sources, but to double down and challenge the Special Counsel’s office to clarify what they disagree with.

Cohen’s testimony to Congress next month should be... interesting
 
Absolutely.

Likewise, just as Jordan Peterson should no longer be employed at a university, neither should people who publicly write things like this:


What an absurd country. A pox on all their houses, the children and especially the adults.

The Black Israelites (a long-standing nutters' cult) are probably the only ones in this whole mess who managed to conform to their own standards.



I am still struggling to see what the kids did wrong.

They acted like normal 16 ish year old kids do when older folk harangue them.

BTW....I don’t see that the Indian fellows or the Black Israelis did owt wrong either.

The whole thing looks like a jovial enough exchange anyway....with not one hint of malice nor undercurrent of potential violence that I can discern.

You see little incidents like this, teenagers and OAPs verbally sparring, on a regular basis.

To me this is the very epitome of “fake news” and it plays right into Trump’s hands.....it is a propaganda gift for him at a time when he is feeling the heat from all sides as Nancy demonstrates that his free ride on the Hill has come to a shuddering halt.
 
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