Yoda
Player Valuation: £1m
Isis say the same thing ripping down 2 thousand year old heritage sites in Iraq
Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
- Thread starter kithnou
- Start date
- Status
dholliday
deconstructed rep
I'm normally not a fan of comparisons with Nazi Germany, as that's the usual Godwin to use and it's almost always out of place.
But maybe here there is a workable comparison. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of ostensibly good things: development, education, a feeling of belonging etc. And most citizens within Nazi Germany were normal folk who were, as you say, proud welcoming people.
But what Nazi Germany ultimately stood for was morally indefensible, it thus made the other bits very much faded into the background.
So today, if you're a German and you support Nazi Germany and/or fly an obvious Nazi symbol (the Hakenkreuz of which is legally banned) then you're being fairly associated with the morally indefensible aspects of Nazi Germany.
And as @Pittsburgh Footy said, today it's not much deeper than that.
Do you think it’s correct that certain southern states are having statues etc representing their past ripped down by people who have decided history should be erased because certain forward thinking students who don’t know their arse from their elbow say so? Don’t know why this is bold
Ripping down statues isn’t erasing history , history still exists . It’s not celebrating that history , surely that’s an obvious difference ? That’s why the Germans still learn about Hitler but don’t have statues of him and why there isn’t one of Cromwell in Phoenix park .
Classic whataboutism
Do you think it’s correct that certain southern states are having statues etc representing their past ripped down by people who have decided history should be erased because certain forward thinking students who don’t know their arse from their elbow say so? Don’t know why this is bold
do forward thinking students upset you Yoda?
Serious question is that just your go to line or do you honestly and actually believe that comparison?
Yoda
Player Valuation: £1m
There you defending ripping down history, is it okay for Isis to do the same in that regard then? They have their reasons
I was actually going to make the same Nazi reference, but to your point, didn't want to go there b/c it seems once you go there it's always out of place.
But your point is spot on. Nazi Germany, in the purest, non-genocidal sense, arguably did a lot of good things as you describe. However, you cannot separate that from what it ultimately stood for.
You can make some comparisons to the Confederacy
So defending putting a murderer in prison is the same as putting a satirist in prison in a Dictatorship , because you know they have their reasons
There has been quite a lot of discussion in this thread about what messages voters are hearing from both parties for the midterms, found these videos interesting
Yoda
Player Valuation: £1m
First time I’ve said it you muppet
who’s to say when it’s okay to tear down historical monuments? The likes of you?
Yoda
Player Valuation: £1m
Do you agree with people destroying historical monuments? No matter what that represent?
dholliday
deconstructed rep
To be fair to Yoda there is a valid comparison there, it's just from different ends of the political spectrum.
- ISIS destroyed historical remnants of a time counter to what they believe in.
- Anti-confederates wish to destroy historical remnants of a time counter to what they believe in.
First time I’ve said it you muppet
No need to be insulting fella , thought it was the liberals who are easily offended snowflakes .
The likes of me ? You have absolutely no idea of who I am , I certainly don’t have a vote about whether to take down confederate statues I do have an opinion though .
here's an idea. How about moving statues of slave owners who fought for the right to own humans, to special museums where we can bring our kids to show them what we must never do.
- Status