Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Yoda]

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[Yoda]

But neither is ok. And raising the issue of slavery somewhere else doesn't make the prominence of slave supporting symbols in the US not a problem. Saying flying the Confederate flag because it's not as bad as having actual slaves isn't a reasonable defense

Of course neither is okay! And I might be wrong here, but and it’s a big but, waving a confederate flag around is not tountamount to wanting slavery. Not having it..

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Of course neither is okay! And I might be wrong here, but and it’s a big but, waving a confederate flag around is not tountamount to wanting slavery. Not having it..

Is that what your eyes tell you? Or is that what you want to believe?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Of course neither is okay! And I might be wrong here, but and it’s a big but, waving a confederate flag around is not tountamount to wanting slavery. Not having it..

It's not actively wishing for a return to slavery but it is support for a people who sought to protect it and fought a war to do against the United States to do so. Given the way American slavery worked this support is certainly racist though

 

[Connor]

 

[Yoda]

Is that what your eyes tell you? Or is that what you want to believe?

My common sense tells me

 

[Yoda]

It's not actively wishing for a return to slavery but it is support for a people who sought to protect it and fought a war to do against the United States to do so. Given the way American slavery worked this support is certainly racist though

Didn’t it represent their heritage, not just this negative abhorrent slavery attachment. I’m not a USA citizen and don’t pretend to know all southern states political stances in the past on slavery, but to clean sweep confederate flag flyers as rascist slavery condoning people, no! The confederate flag surely stood for more than this and I suspect the majority were proud welcoming people. But guess what there are some awful connections like any state has had in the past. IMO Think you’re wrong on this one and I hope you’re wrong too.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Didn’t it represent their heritage, not just this negative abhorrent slavery attachment. I’m not a USA citizen and don’t pretend to know all southern states political stances in the past on slavery, but to clean sweep confederate flag flyers as rascist slavery condoning people, no! The confederate flag surely stood for more than this and I suspect the majority were proud welcoming people. But guess what there are some awful connections like any state has had in the past. IMO Think you’re wrong on this one and I hope you’re wrong too.

The problem is what is the heritage of the South? It starts with the plantations that allowed the colonies to survive in the first place and fueled their economy to the Civil War. Then the War was fought to preserve that. After which slaves were free but then systematically discriminated against via Jim Crow Laws. So a lot of heritage you don't really want to celebrate unless you're fine with racism.

The flag is explicitly connected to all of this because again it was adopted by a rebellion with the chief purpose of keeping Africans in bondage

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Didn’t it represent their heritage, not just this negative abhorrent slavery attachment. I’m not a USA citizen and don’t pretend to know all southern states political stances in the past on slavery, but to clean sweep confederate flag flyers as rascist slavery condoning people, no! The confederate flag surely stood for more than this and I suspect the majority were proud welcoming people. But guess what there are some awful connections like any state has had in the past. IMO Think you’re wrong on this one and I hope you’re wrong too.

You're giving people too much credit, mate. As a non-American your view may seem like reality, b/c you cannot fathom otherwise. You'd be mistaken. @TheBigIguana makes good points. Bottom line, in 2018, if someone is flying a Confederate flag, it's to make a statement, and usually that statement is about race. The alternative would be treason. Believe it or not, in the states, the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate and racism. We can debate whether that's how it started, but today, that's what it means.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Surely some US blues are happy Trump has really shaken up the establishment? It will only make the future democrats realise you can’t ignore and treat regular tax paying citizens as complete mugs and not always focus on minorities. Dems sometimes have to put their own citizens first!

lollollollollollol

 

[Yoda]

The problem is what is the heritage of the South? It starts with the plantations that allowed the colonies to survive in the first place and fueled their economy to the Civil War. Then the War was fought to preserve that. After which slaves were free but then systematically discriminated against via Jim Crow Laws. So a lot of heritage you don't really want to celebrate unless you're fine with racism.

The flag is explicitly connected to all of this because again it was adopted by a rebellion with the chief purpose of keeping Africans in bondage

Did the representation of colours, on this flag support slavery? did all the men who went to civil war with the union(am I correct “Union”) fight to the death in a bloody conflict to support a flag that only meant “ we support slavery”? No it’s deeper than that.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Did the representation of colours, on this flag support slavery? did all the men who went to civil war with the union(am I correct “Union”) fight to the death in a bloody conflict to support a flag that only meant “ we support slavery”? No it’s deeper than that.

It was deeper than that in 1860

In 2018, it's not deeper than that

That's the point

 

[Yoda]

You're giving people too much credit, mate. As a non-American your view may seem like reality, b/c you cannot fathom otherwise. You'd be mistaken. @TheBigIguana makes good points. Bottom line, in 2018, if someone is flying a Confederate flag, it's to make a statement, and usually that statement is about race. The alternative would be treason. Believe it or not, in the states, the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate and racism. We can debate whether that's how it started, but today, that's what it means.

Do you think it’s correct that certain southern states are having statues etc representing their past ripped down by people who have decided history should be erased because certain forward thinking students who don’t know their arse from their elbow say so? Don’t know why this is bold

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Do you think it’s correct that certain southern states are having statues etc representing their past ripped down by people who have decided history should be erased because certain forward thinking students who don’t know their arse from their elbow say so? Don’t know why this is bold

"Ripping down statues" doesn't erase history.

It just presents a path to no longer idolize/romanticize it

This is important when a very large group of people think about it as a way that represents oppression

 

[Yoda]

lollollollollollol

The establishment don’t like it though do they? Do you think they should just “carry on” no regards to the ordinary person. Sometimes people just say “no, enough is enough” and it’s bit the establishment on its arse