Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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What's more preferable for the Democrats on here (outside of a mid-terms swing)?

- Trump is forced to resign, Pence takes over until 2020.

- Trump swats away every scandal and sees out his term.

I'm assuming the Pence option but I keep hearing he's supposed to be worse (from a conservative-policy standpoint).

I reckon he will win a second term......
 
Not sure it is even worth considering as the chances of Trump resigning are zero - it is not in his character, chances of getting two thirds of Senate to impeach are remote even if passes the House and if he has done something criminal then resigning would open him up to prosecution far more than staying in the job and hoping somehow to get reelected.

Forced to leave, in whatever shape or form, purely hypothetical. In that case, is Pence preferable or would Dems prefer Trump over Pence these next two years?
 
Here is what it did for washing machine prices for example - I unfortunately saw this first hand as I happened to be buying a Whirlpool washing machine around the time the initial tariffs were implemented :( The appliance salesman was annoyed as he knew it was going to cut into his own business especially with the steel/aluminium ones impacting other things like fridges.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/17/whirlpool-thought-tariffs-would-protect
For consumers, it means the price of a new washing machine—whether made in Ohio, South Korea, or China—has jumped by about 20 percent in just a few months. That's pretty much exactly in line with what analysts predicted in January when the tariff was announced.
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"We have repeatedly stated that this tariff is a tax on every washing machine buyer in the U.S.," a Samsung spokesman told the Journal. "Since the tariff was implemented, U.S. consumers have paid more for their washing machines across all brands."

While the tariffs can be credited with pushing Sumsung to open a small manufacturing facility in South Carolina (LG is reportedly considering doing the same), the costs imposed on consumers seem to far outweigh the potential for new jobs. That's something that economists have generally agreed on ever since the Trump administration started racheting up barriers to trade: Tariffs may create some jobs, but they'll cause more to be lost.

http://tradepartnership.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/232RetaliationPolicyBriefJune5.pdf

Interesting analysis on the effects of steel and aluminum tariffs. 26k jobs created, 429k jobs lost.
 
I reckon he will win a second term......


I think he's proven himself completely impervious to the traditional destroyers of political careers, any other politician would have resigned in disgrace 50 times over. His base are too close to the island to swim back, and he'll always have that support. The Democrats would need someone charismatic and with a thick skin, Trump is the great devourer of news cycles
 
Is that a fact 100%? I could be wrong I’m no expert on this matter, probably met only a handful of these types of people.View attachment 48129

Technically yes given how the flag came to be.

That said, knowing many confederate flag wavers, I'd say they don't advocate a return to slavery. Over the years Southerns have tried to whitewash (no pun intended) the confederacy and the causes of its founding as well as the use of the flag by racist groups such as the KKK. They don't (won't) see the confederate flag as others do.

Empathy for fellow humans is greatly lacking in the US
 
That said, knowing many confederate flag wavers, I'd say they don't advocate a return to slavery.

That's interesting as it seems to go against what @TheBigIguana was arguing.

Personally I can't hold a solid opinion on this as never lived in USA so am relying on you ammies! I would hope most Confederate fans wouldn't advocate a return to slavery, that at least would give us a bit more faith generally in the human race.
 
Nobody is going to win a trade war. Both sides will lose. The Trump supporters will probably be too stupid to even realise they have lost since at it's most simplistic what Trump appears to be doing is "putting America first."

As a US consumer you will now be paying more for goods and services as tariffs are always passed down to consumers. In a country with no public healthcare, your tax dollars will instead be used to fund the domestic industries being ruined by retaliatory tariffs.

As a US company, if you are producing anything that requires parts, materials from overseas in production it will cost more meaning you have to either cut production or raise prices including domestically which means again higher prices for US consumers and probably jobs being lost.

The tariffs may provide a gain to specific industries targeted (steel, aluminum etc) but the overall effect on the economy will be overwhelmingly negative.

Even Fox agrees http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/24/trumps-trade-war-is-economic-suicide.html
Nobody is going to win a trade war. Both sides will lose. The Trump supporters will probably be too stupid to even realise they have lost since at it's most simplistic what Trump appears to be doing is "putting America first."

As a US consumer you will now be paying more for goods and services as tariffs are always passed down to consumers. In a country with no public healthcare, your tax dollars will instead be used to fund the domestic industries being ruined by retaliatory tariffs.

As a US company, if you are producing anything that requires parts, materials from overseas in production it will cost more meaning you have to either cut production or raise prices including domestically which means again higher prices for US consumers and probably jobs being lost.

The tariffs may provide a gain to specific industries targeted (steel, aluminum etc) but the overall effect on the economy will be overwhelmingly negative.

Even Fox agrees http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/24/trumps-trade-war-is-economic-suicide.html
But US trade deficit is around $800 billion, something has to give, no denying it’s an epic arm wrestle about to happen, but status Quo is going to damage USA in the long term?
 
That's interesting as it seems to go against what @TheBigIguana was arguing.

Personally I can't hold a solid opinion on this as never lived in USA so am relying on you ammies! I would hope most Confederate fans wouldn't advocate a return to slavery, that at least would give us a bit more faith generally in the human race.

Tacitly they are supporting slavery. They have a problem of not believing facts in evidence and deciding something means what they want it to mean because it makes them feel better about themselves, their culture, their history.
 
What's more preferable for the Democrats on here (outside of a mid-terms swing)?

- Trump is forced to resign, Pence takes over until 2020.

- Trump swats away every scandal and sees out his term.

I'm assuming the Pence option but I keep hearing he's supposed to be worse (from a conservative-policy standpoint).

As LL said, no chance Trump will resign. Impeachment is the only option for a shorter term and that's not likely. If Trump is forced out, it's likely that Pence would be guilty of the same crimes. (Manafort hand picked Pence to be VP).
I think Trump will swat away every scandal and see out his term.
My fear is that he needlessly juiced a growing economy. I was okay with elements of his tax bill, like a decrease in corporate tax but I wasn't ok with where the deficit will be made up or the timing. I fear that the economy looks good but it's being hollowed out from the inside. Some poor democrat will get elected in 2020 and, thanks to trumps egotistical actions, the whole thing will collapse. The dems will get the blame and by 2024 some nut job like Pence could be back in charge.
 
Interesting. So (hypothetically) if Trump is forced out so would Pence. Who would take the chair for the next two years?
next up is speaker of the house.
That's currently Ryan but he's not running again.
And depending on how the mid terms go, Pelosi could be challenged for her position.
So, the speaker of the house, but god knows who that will be.
There'd have to be a real bombshell from Mueller and soon for any of that to happen tho!
 
That's interesting as it seems to go against what @TheBigIguana was arguing.

Personally I can't hold a solid opinion on this as never lived in USA so am relying on you ammies! I would hope most Confederate fans wouldn't advocate a return to slavery, that at least would give us a bit more faith generally in the human race.
I think only a very small minority would actually advocate a return to slavery, but it's simply not realistic because 1) the slaves were emancipated 150 years ago and 2) it's just simple not realistic/can't happen

However, I think there would be a much larger percentage that in a fantasy world, if you could snap your fingers and make it so tomorrow, that would look the other way if it happened.

So I guess it comes down to what's your definition of advocating slavery
 
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