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A little war against Iran to distract from the midterms and the Russia investigation.
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A little war against Iran to distract from the midterms and the Russia investigation.
What???? where's the equivalence here? We have to give up our democratic process to avoid war with russia, there are no better options. If we didn't let the Russians meddle in our elections we would have had Clinton as president and she might have escalated the war in Syria?
Like, how poor was the US negotiation position at the onset of this hypothetical war if the only way of avoiding it was by snivelling capitulation and throwing himself at the feet of Putin on live TV?
dholliday
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lol thanks mate. I admit putting "diplomatic" in there was deffo OTT in light of everything else about him.
But I agree with your bolded bit. Trump used to be a very clever perceptive man, but age has withered his abilities somewhat. I'm quite happy to accept the argument that he's Putin's poodle. The end result is what I'm after: no conflict. Do you agree that there was justified concern of a conflict if Clinton had won?
Weird comment. You said holding the view that we should focus on 2020 elections is diametrically-opposed to focussing on the mid-terms. That's a misuse of language (as clearly to be diametrically-opposed isn't close to that position at all), as well as wilfully misunderstanding what I said. Diametrically-opposed would be me saying we should focus on supporting Trump for re-election in one post, then in the next saying we should focus on supporting the 2020 Democrat candidate. Do you now understand what's meant by diametrically-opposed?
Then you only go on to say I've slept through 30 years of colloquial English.
You're not gonna help your understanding of anything with stubborn easily-refutable oneupmanship like that.
You sound like you're parotting things you've heard others say. Or do you maybe have evidence for these claims? I'd like to read up on this evidence as to my knowledge you should be putting allegedly in front of every claim.
You speak of using colloquial English, but that form of language has limits. It's not precise and it's biased. Again, see the bolded bits of your post I'm quoting. You're making these things sound more bad than they perhaps are, because that way your argument (in your head) appears stronger than it is.
That's a fair comment, tho'.
Good post, the bolded bit speaks to me. I have stated on here a few times I want a change in 2020 because of the things you say in your post (I say this from the perspective as a world citizen, I don't live in USA myself).
I just disagree with the method: it's all too negative and this feeds the troll. Obama's quiet ascent, followed by a building crescendo during his run, was very positive in energy. And it worked after the joke that was W Bush - I think many have forgotten how terrible he also was, but despite that Obama's campaign didn't focus much on W Bush.
How good Obama was as Pres in the end is another debate, but I believe a similarly-tuned campaign-focus would greatly aid a blue winning in 2020.
Yes, pretty much. If the candidates in 2020 aren't making such anti-Russia noises, then I expect the Russians won't be that fussed.
Thing is, this whole Russian interference thing: what does it actually amount to? If even true, that is. Some anti-Hillary leaks, and some online comments from about a dozen people. Is that it? That amounts to interfering with the democratic process?
So what was the Pu$$y Grabbing leak? A comment from years before Trump declared interest in the Presidency is leaked in an attempt to undermine the democratic process. It was leaked by an NBC staffer. Is that less or more anti-democratic than a few Russian trolls who were trying to smear Hillary?
All a matter of perspective...
Then there's Trump himself to consider. Famously, many from the chattering classes were quite sure it didn't matter who was US President as he was always controlled by unseen forces in the shadows. We've all heard it or even said it ourselves. Trump has disproven this utterly. This is a win for the democratic process!
Perspectives. There's many of them.
Looking at 2020, which is eons away... at the moment what has the POTUS done to increase his support? Remember, he won the Electoral College (not the election, mind) with a lesser percentage of the vote than was won by Mitt Romney and Romney was clobbered in the EC. Current approval ratings among American voters for the POTUS are significantly below historic averages and he is not going to have the privilege of running against Mrs. Clinton again.
His spouting off on Twitter keeps the GOP base engaged. It also keeps the opposition's outrage meter at 11 which keeps them engaged. The fact is there are more Democrats than Republicans in the United States and his approval among the ever-growing Independents is below 40%. There is very much likely to be a higher traditional Dem voter turnout in 2020 and Cheeto Mussolini cannot win re-election with his base alone. Yet they are the only people he speaks to and, as far as I can tell, will ever be able to speak to as he is only able to remember a few applause lines and some teenage-level insults.
Two and a half more years of this and I have to believe the American public will be utterly exhausted and get behind virtually any competent young(ish) candidate providing an alternative to the embarrassing carnival from hell.
His spouting off on Twitter keeps the GOP base engaged. It also keeps the opposition's outrage meter at 11 which keeps them engaged. The fact is there are more Democrats than Republicans in the United States and his approval among the ever-growing Independents is below 40%. There is very much likely to be a higher traditional Dem voter turnout in 2020 and Cheeto Mussolini cannot win re-election with his base alone. Yet they are the only people he speaks to and, as far as I can tell, will ever be able to speak to as he is only able to remember a few applause lines and some teenage-level insults.
Two and a half more years of this and I have to believe the American public will be utterly exhausted and get behind virtually any competent young(ish) candidate providing an alternative to the embarrassing carnival from hell.
dholliday
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He won the election, full stop. You meant he lost the popular vote, which isn't the same thing as the election.
And he got 2 million more votes than Romney. Statistics, ay? We can swing them anyway we like.
Finally, his approval ratings are about on par with other Presidents after the same period in office. So not "significantly below" by any interpretation. Rasmussen say 46% currently. Obama was 46%, Clinton was also 46%. Reagan was 44%. Only the Bushes were significantly better because of the Iraq conflict & 9/11 effect.
Apologies, my multiquoting skills are crap!
on your first point, thanks!
You're right, there are plenty of perspectives.
I disagree on how to approach the midterms. I think going hard after Trump and his complicit crowd is the best way to win over disgruntled independents. Time to take a knife to a knife fight. On Obama, he didn't have to do much to beat McCain. Republicans had the country on it's knees. He also wasn't running against Bush.
The likes of Schumer and Pelossi (sp?) are both in danger of losing their power because of their softly softly appease the money people approach. Running on centerist politics will win nothing.
On the Russia point. I think you're making very light of their transgressions. The leaks of DNC emails combined with social media priming were a huge factor in determining the mood of the country. Yes, there was the leaking of tapes on Trump but that was legal. There's a big difference between legally influencing an election and illegally.
Most here know the POTUS has a lot of power. Trumps bowing to Putin just shows us how fragile our defence of that power is. How unsecure our democracy is, and to your last point, how Russian interference in our elections is not to be taken lightly.
you want to look at the disapproval ratings not the approval ratings.
Look at what the independents are thinking
@dholliday Jesus, just looking at that polling site you linked. Look at GWBs popularity post 9/11. That fills me with dread for what might happen. The sooner this idiot is out of office the better.
BigDunc'sFod
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-trumps-popularity-is-holding-up-by-state/
Shows people's opinions of him are dropping across the board though he's still the Champion of the Deep South
Boss_Blue
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It makes me happy
Unless Trump is actually a part of the previously unseen, shadowy forces...
abelard
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granted, it's a bit all over the place.
Lunch time ales sounds like a great idea tho!
You may try and swing statistics any way you like but there is no getting around the fact that what I said was completely accurate and more germane in comparison (Romney v Trump). Per Gallup, the average approval rating for a POTUS in the 6th quarter of his presidency is 57% (since Eisenhauer). The current POTUS is at 43% (nearly his high-water mark) with some of the highest negative ratings among the opposition party and Independents ever seen by Gallup.
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