Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[dholliday]

Trump is disgusting, I do not support him and his regressive brand of crpyo-fascist politics.

I want him gone.

But I don't believe that the Democrats, in their current state, are capable of doing that.

We agree, tho' I probably have a little more time for some of Trump's policies, he's ultimately not healthy for US or the world. A grand troll act. A symptom of our collective loss of perspective. My post just before yours linked that Graun article which hopefully quite a few will read and take on board.

I've been saying for a while the media focus should be on who the Democrat 2020 candidates might be. All this anti-Trumpist #resistance shouting is counter-productive. If 2020 comes and most of the country still have no idea who the Dem candidates are then you better hope one is really charismatic...

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

We agree, tho' I probably have a little more time for some of Trump's policies, he's ultimately not healthy for US or the world. A grand troll act. A symptom of our collective loss of perspective. My post just before yours linked that Graun article which hopefully quite a few will read and take on board.

I've been saying for a while the media focus should be on who the Democrat 2020 candidates might be. All this anti-Trumpist #resistance shouting is counter-productive. If 2020 comes and most of the country still have no idea who the Dem candidates are then you better hope one is really charismatic...

Then you're crazy, as is anyone who writes that at the moment.

After the midterms, entirely fine, that should absolutely be the focus.

Right now? Absolutely not. It is 100% vital (for the US, the world, anyone you care to mention) that the Democrats take back Congress. They've had some real success so far in special elections etc, and that has not been down to an anti-Trump message, it's been focusing on healthcare and the joke of a tax bill that the Republicans pushed through last year (last year? early this year? I forget exactly). None of that message requires knowledge of who's running in 2020.

 

[Number_25]

Then you're crazy, as is anyone who writes that at the moment.

After the midterms, entirely fine, that should absolutely be the focus.

Right now? Absolutely not. It is 100% vital (for the US, the world, anyone you care to mention) that the Democrats take back Congress. They've had some real success so far in special elections etc, and that has not been down to an anti-Trump message, it's been focusing on healthcare and the joke of a tax bill that the Republicans pushed through last year (last year? early this year? I forget exactly). None of that message requires knowledge of who's running in 2020.

What is the Dems strategy? Go around to the swing states and shout about how bad Trump is and how they're not him?

Nobody votes for "not something", you have to offer an actual alternative.

 

[dholliday]

Would love it if Twitter was permanently shut down. All of it. Horrible platform for communication.

110% this. That respected old newspapers use it for most of their content (covering to death whatever the latest 'outrage' is) has been one of the main causes of Brexit & Trump. Most people aren't like the masses of Twitter/Facebook-addicts, but the unfortunate side-effect of these addicts is that normal folk will instinctively turn away from whatever the addicts are shouting.

Imagine a Trump or Brexit campaign without such intense anti-coverage in the media via Twitter storms...

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

What is the Dems strategy? Go around to the swing states and shout about how bad Trump is and how they're not him?

Nobody votes for "not something", you have to offer an actual alternative.

Feel like you didn't read my post.

Specifically said that the successful messaging so far has been around healthcare and the tax cut... you know... policy stuff...

 

[dholliday]

Then you're crazy, as is anyone who writes that at the moment.

After the midterms, entirely fine, that should absolutely be the focus.

Right now? Absolutely not. It is 100% vital (for the US, the world, anyone you care to mention) that the Democrats take back Congress. They've had some real success so far in special elections etc, and that has not been down to an anti-Trump message, it's been focusing on healthcare and the joke of a tax bill that the Republicans pushed through last year (last year? early this year? I forget exactly). None of that message requires knowledge of who's running in 2020.

Your language is part of the problem. As I've said often: language is important. You shout and label "crazy" without waiting for confirmation what I may think about the mid-terms.

For brevity in this thread I just agreed with @Number_25 's view about the 2020 bit, but the below is what I also think about the mid-terms. This was posted in reply to you only a few days ago:

He's the most-talked about and reported-on individual in history. The coverage of Trump these last 2 years has been beyond immense. He's having the time of his life.

Best thing to do is keep calm and focus on the mid-terms, weaken the Republican hand, and then focus on 2020 and get someone sensible in office. Put those 4 years down to a weird experiment.

I think everyone going batshit insane at every little nonsensical thing that Trump does or says is feeding the troll, as it were. His supporters love it too when the media & the establishment ('the swamp') get all outraged. More outrage, more Trump.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Your language is part of the problem. As I've said often: language is important. You shout and label "crazy" without waiting for confirmation what I may think about the mid-terms.

For brevity in this thread I just agreed with @Number_25 's view about the 2020 bit, but the below is what I also think about the mid-terms. This was posted in reply to you only a few days ago:

So which is it? Keep calm and focus on the midterms, or focus on 2020 and who the candidate is going to be?

And I wasn't shouting anything... I think it is GROSSLY illadvised to be focusing on "who the candidate is going to be in 2020"... it's exactly that sort of coverage and focus that got people in this situation... the "who's up, who's down", covering politics like sports...

There is no way of knowing who the candidate will be - half the party will probably be running initially - so why should the media focus have been "for a while" who the 2020 candidate will be?

 

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[dholliday]

So which is it? Keep calm and focus on the midterms, or focus on 2020 and who the candidate is going to be?

as I said...your language (or rather debating-style) is part of the problem. It's a microcosm of what's out there: unable to accept when one's logic is faulty, instead doubling-down, exacerbating the issue.

This isn't the way forward. Only a little reflection reveals many of us think the same, we aren't fundamentally disagreeing at all. I've even linked you & explained you clearly what I think, yet you're still doubling down on your (non-existent) argument. That puts off people.

The article I linked on the last page talks about such lack of self-reflection. It swung the election.

 

[abelard]

Your language is part of the problem. As I've said often: language is important.

Bore off with your insufferable self-appointed hall-monitor pedantry

 

[dholliday]

Bore off with your insufferable self-appointed hall-monitor pedantry

boring just might get us somewhere, because outrage isn't really doing it x

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

as I said...your language (or rather debating-style) is part of the problem. It's a microcosm of what's out there: unable to accept when one's logic is faulty, instead doubling-down, exacerbating the issue.

This isn't the way forward. Only a little reflection reveals many of us think the same, we aren't fundamentally disagreeing at all. I've even linked you & explained you clearly what I think, yet you're still doubling down on your (non-existent) argument. That puts off people.

The article I linked on the last page talks about such lack of self-reflection. It swung the election.

Good god you’re self righteous.

 

[abelard]

Good god you’re self righteous.

he makes ME want to go back in time to vote for Trump

 

[dholliday]

Good god you’re self righteous.

Thanks mate, it's not intended. That's why I also quote articles which say the same things as me but probably write more skillfully so it doesn't come across as such.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Thanks mate, it's not intended. That's why I also quote articles which say the same things as me but probably write more skillfully so it doesn't come across as such.

Except that you’ve said two diametrically opposed things.

“Keep calm and focus on the midterms”
“I’ve said for a while the media focus should be on who will be the candidate in 2020”

So which is it, is all I was asking.

The article you posted isn’t revelatory - and given that the Democrats’ focus (now and in 2020) is (or certainly should be) mobilising their own base in a way Hillary didn’t rather than trying to convince Trump supporters - it isn’t especially relevant either.

We all KNOW the people who are still with Trump are going to be with him til the bitter end - if policies of pulling kids from their parents and cosying up to Putin didn’t break them from him, there’s certainly no magic argument that a Democratic candidate can make to do it.

As I said earlier, healthcare and the tax breaks for the rich are the issues that have resonated the most - but if some (entirely justified) outrage helps to keep the left as engaged and committed as they have been through the special elections etc - then that’s absolutely fine by me.