Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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steveojcc said:
40% voting for him doesn't mean 40% actually support him. Most of them i bet simply voted for their parties nomination and because they are conservatives they would never vote democrat especially another Clinton. The most evil Clinton too boot.

Just like his current ratings i bet his actual base is about 15 to 18%. Of those who are genuine Trump fans that is.

Many conservatives turn a blind eye to his antics simply because your lot controls everything and so are willing to accept him. The GOP members pander to him to get their way too. It's a win win.
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That seems about right to me. I'd say maybe about 25% really hardcore Trumpsters by now, but it's growing. There's less nose-holding than there used to be. If his opposition could just moderate and settle down, he'd probably self destruct. Instead, we get what we've gotten since election day 2016. They provide him so much leverage that they make it easy for Trump. Knowing this, he baits his opposition and they fall right into the trap. It is almost a given in the MSM that the Democrats will triumph in the 2018 elections and regain the House. If this doesn't happen, it will solidify his position. If it does, will the House be pushed to move for impeachment by their left-most supporters? Is it a quid pro quo to get any of Tom Steyer's support, for example? How did that work for the GOP with Big Dog twenty years ago? I remember being pretty much disgusted with the whole Ken Starr-chamber performance.

The very idea of Trump as POTUS was so inconceivable (hat tip to Inigo Montoya) that each day that passes without Armageddon increases his credibility. It is a singular time in our political history. Nothing quite like this took place before - a manipulated process that backfired on the manipulators. They chose the form of their own opponent and were unable to comprehend that the country would make him their destructor.

The Trumpsters understand the arguments of the left far better than the left understands the arguments of the Trumpsters. That's why the Trumpsters print everything the left says in big type to motivate their own base while the radical left is deplatforming (or attempting to) about everybody to the left of themselves. To disagree with the radical left is to be "objectively fascist", hence alt-right. That definition would not survive the scrutiny of Inigo Montoya.
 
mezzrow said:
That seems about right to me. I'd say maybe about 25% really hardcore Trumpsters by now, but it's growing. There's less nose-holding than there used to be. If his opposition could just moderate and settle down, he'd probably self destruct. Instead, we get what we've gotten since election day 2016. They provide him so much leverage that they make it easy for Trump. Knowing this, he baits his opposition and they fall right into the trap. It is almost a given in the MSM that the Democrats will triumph in the 2018 elections and regain the House. If this doesn't happen, it will solidify his position. If it does, will the House be pushed to move for impeachment by their left-most supporters? Is it a quid pro quo to get any of Tom Steyer's support, for example? How did that work for the GOP with Big Dog twenty years ago? I remember being pretty much disgusted with the whole Ken Starr-chamber performance.

The very idea of Trump as POTUS was so inconceivable (hat tip to Inigo Montoya) that each day that passes without Armageddon increases his credibility. It is a singular time in our political history. Nothing quite like this took place before - a manipulated process that backfired on the manipulators. They chose the form of their own opponent and were unable to comprehend that the country would make him their destructor.

The Trumpsters understand the arguments of the left far better than the left understands the arguments of the Trumpsters. That's why the Trumpsters print everything the left says in big type to motivate their own base while the radical left is deplatforming (or attempting to) about everybody to the left of themselves. To disagree with the radical left is to be "objectively fascist", hence alt-right. That definition would not survive the scrutiny of Inigo Montoya.
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Fair point on most of it but the highlighted i think you are giving him way too much credit. You honestly think he is baiting people on purpose. There's no scheming or planning with this guy. He simply doesn't have the intellect on evidence to be clever enough to do this on purpose.

His tweets and retorts are the musings of an unstable man. Can't hold his thoughts or bite his tongue when he should and has no control in general. There's no intelligence to his speeches and tweets and listening to him its like pulling teeth waiting for him to say something of actual meaning and construct.

If it is baiting its purely by accident and in that case the targets should know better.
 
mezzrow said:
That seems about right to me. I'd say maybe about 25% really hardcore Trumpsters by now, but it's growing. There's less nose-holding than there used to be. If his opposition could just moderate and settle down, he'd probably self destruct. Instead, we get what we've gotten since election day 2016. They provide him so much leverage that they make it easy for Trump. Knowing this, he baits his opposition and they fall right into the trap. It is almost a given in the MSM that the Democrats will triumph in the 2018 elections and regain the House. If this doesn't happen, it will solidify his position. If it does, will the House be pushed to move for impeachment by their left-most supporters? Is it a quid pro quo to get any of Tom Steyer's support, for example? How did that work for the GOP with Big Dog twenty years ago? I remember being pretty much disgusted with the whole Ken Starr-chamber performance.

The very idea of Trump as POTUS was so inconceivable (hat tip to Inigo Montoya) that each day that passes without Armageddon increases his credibility. It is a singular time in our political history. Nothing quite like this took place before - a manipulated process that backfired on the manipulators. They chose the form of their own opponent and were unable to comprehend that the country would make him their destructor.

The Trumpsters understand the arguments of the left far better than the left understands the arguments of the Trumpsters. That's why the Trumpsters print everything the left says in big type to motivate their own base while the radical left is deplatforming (or attempting to) about everybody to the left of themselves. To disagree with the radical left is to be "objectively fascist", hence alt-right. That definition would not survive the scrutiny of Inigo Montoya.
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also, the Princess Bride was rubbish, there, I said it.
 
So that list of questions is quite something.

Three things spring to mind.

1. Kushner is in quite some difficulty
2. Manafort is proper ****ed - like the rabbit.
3. There is no way Trump should (from his own point of view) sit down with Mueller's team.
 
steveojcc said:
Fair point on most of it but the highlighted i think you are giving him way too much credit. You honestly think he is baiting people on purpose. There's no scheming or planning with this guy. He simply doesn't have the intellect on evidence to be clever enough to do this on purpose.

His tweets and retorts are the musings of an unstable man. Can't hold his thoughts or bite his tongue when he should and has no control in general. There's no intelligence to his speeches and tweets and listening to him its like pulling teeth waiting for him to say something of actual meaning and construct.

If it is baiting its purely by accident and in that case the targets should know better.
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Well he's POTUS, despite his stupidity. Some men consciously strive to induce their opposition to define them as stupid. Others do it instinctively. I agree his targets should know better, but he's hard to ignore, isn't he.

"Modern man will never admit that a stupid idea shared by many is not respectable but merely dreadful." - Don Colacho
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
So that list of questions is quite something.

Three things spring to mind.

1. Kushner is in quite some difficulty
2. Manafort is proper ****ed - like the rabbit.
3. There is no way Trump should (from his own point of view) sit down with Mueller's team.
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Also, if Trumps team leaked these questions to the NYT, it just adds to the obstruction of justice case.
 
mezzrow said:
Impressed. Do you have a background in formal debate? This is very strong. I used to make this kind of argument often.

Since Buckley's leadership in casting out the Birchers and the KKK types from the ranks of conservatism in the 50's, the right has had to be very aware and alert to the depredations of those obsessed with race and violence within the midst of accepted conservative thought. Prior to the Johnson administration, most open racism in US politics was channeled through the Democratic party and its solid south strategy. Many longtime Republicans make exactly the same argument.

Where would we then draw the line for the left? Would an obsession with race and violence apply to their actions in a similar fashion?
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Not sure what you are talking about. History shows that the Republican Southern Strategy was a direct response to capture the southern white vote after Jim Crow laws were dismantled and the eventual Civil Rights Act was passed. Their strategy was to employ racism against African Americans to appeal to white voters who had traditionally voted Democrat.

Look at the Johnson/Goldwater election to see when the Republican party started to become the party of racism.
 
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