Donald Trump for President Thread

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We can argue that they/we should spend our time changing the system but at the same time there's an immediate need that needs fulfilling.

That's a situation created by the lackadaisical nature of the lower middle/ middle classes who thought that merely by voting for centre-left policies was enough, while the political classes ignored the warnings and deny the chaos it has created, and now expect their idealogical policies to be the status quo.

Camoron's 'big society'. There were things wrong with the old system, but the problem's been exacerbated by the elite who tell us the poor are poor by choice.

They say the best way out of poverty is to work....The quality of jobs they have created has been abysmal. The amount of people chasing low paid work is horrendous. The conditions to qualify for the safety net of welfare has been increased to 'performing circus animal' status.

Meanwhile, the gap between richest & poorest is ever-increasing. The rich aren't interested in helping the poorest. The middle classes are too distracted by chasing the upper classes. The poorest have virtually been left to fend for themselves.

The rich and the corporates want us to work for (next to) nowt, and pay them rent instead of living in our own homes. They send out messages through the media that we're scum if we don't tug our forelock and vote for more of the same. It's become a scant few stops short of serfdom for a lot of people.

And all because people were too involved with themselves. If it doesn't affect them, why should they take note? They allowed the politicians and the right wing media to fill in the gaps in their knowledge about those in the lower social strata.

This vote, along with the referendum, is showing that now the lower-middle/middle classes are now starting to be affected (Albeit nowhere near the lower classes) and are slowly starting to take note and make their vote count.
 
You can have my buckle if you'd like.

@The Esk do you know any dockside development jobs opening soon? I'm sure my experience could parlay into something reasonable, not that you guys want immigrants taking your jobs too...
You made me think, we're knackered now for a new stadium with all the bricklayers moving to the States.

FFS Trump, leave the wall until our stadium is done.
 
That's fine mate, like I said everyone has their own reasons, i just find it hard to see how someone who *does* follow the same politics as someone like trump, or is a Tory or whatever can relate to Everton football club, that's all.

It's a football club - most of us get into it before really knuckling down on our political ideologies. At the time I started following Everton I wasn't really aware of Tory economic policy. Mind you, I'm old enough to have still got free milk at infant school so I was alright Jack.....still always voted for Labour or leftie alternatives (during New Labour years) when I got older though, ungrateful swine that I am.

Hardly racism, is it?

Both campaigns were build on an ideology of getting rid of people who weren't born in U.K./USA. That was their main agenda.

Anyone who voted for that isn't worth respecting, IMO.

What about all the good immigrants bring? For example, the NHS would collapse without overseas doctors.

It is interesting the age demographics in both campaigns that swung it. The younger, more tolerant generation have lost.

The only hope is that in the future, we won't see results like this as the bigoted generation die out.

The exact demographic obsession that has seen Brexit and Trump win their respective votes. People who may agree with some of the aspects of those campaigns are just blindly classified as bigots, racists or downright stupid with no effort or desire to listen to any of their reasons for doing so.

Personally I voted Remain but some of the blind vitriol being spewed at people for voting out has me hoping I was wrong and it goes on to be a great success. Some people seem to be actively hoping everything goes to s**t, regardless of how bad people have it, just so they can say they were right and further lambast Brexiters.
 
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