Doing a Leeds

[gianthogweed]

Different times different circumstances
The money Everton have spent is from TV revenue and player sales or interest free loans from Moshi
Leeds Risdale cash was from massive interest loans from bankers ? who stripped the clubs asset's when it went t!ts up
they even took his fishtank

 

[matty1878]

Listen up Muffew, we're trying to prevent it happening, it's an intervention we're staging here.

With a bit of luck we can halt this before we're in League 1.

Well summer we need a good manager then don’t we mate and some good players to go with it

 

[Verbal Kint]

This is all getting strange. Just fight off relegation and start again in the Summer.
Don't sign anyone because it's nothing but panic

Crazy stuff

 

[GwladysBlue]

Worse than Leeds. At least they had the exciting times of Champions League semi-finals. We're just spending the money without any of the excitement.

 

[MACCA75]

‘Doing a Leeds’ - they got to the Champions League semi final btw, or ‘doing a Portsmouth’ (they won the FA Cup), or the fear of it from our fans, is what kept BK in his job.

We are Everton Football Club. Let’s show some ambition.

 

[Timak]

Why do we spend so much more than Tottenham, but are so much worse?

Brainless recruitment.

The first sign of it was when Martinez gave an interview where he talked about how he needed to "fall in love with a player" and sometimes "one touch of the ball" was all he needed to decide if a player should be signed.

At the same time most of the scouting analytics team Moyes had assembled joined him at Man Utd (and have gone on to City/Chelsea) and weren't replaced.

We've gone for the "proper football men" approach with a collection of 60 something managers/scouts watching in person or on video. I know Sam uses Wyscout which is fine but you are only getting the same videos everyone else is.

Liverpool /Spurs have assembled really good teams of analysts to build models based on how they want to play and find suitable players for their systems. They've gone from bad at buying to good at buying.

We can't do that because we have no defined style of play. From Moyes - Martinez - Koeman - Tried for Silva but got Allardyce.

Much as I think Walsh has done a shocking job I don't think any DOF could buy players that would be right for Silva and Allardyce.

 

[TraffordBlue]

We will almost certainly get the 13 points all right......but "easily"?

Given we have taken one point from recent encounters with two teams which were in the bottom three I think that is rather a hubristic statement.

This looks like being a crawl toward the 40 Point Trophy, not the triumphal sprint it looked like it might have been before we lined up at t' Hawthorns.

We have an awful away record so this idea from some that we were going to go to those 2 places and come away with 2 wins, or a win and a draw was misplaced. I'm not saying we shouldn't be expecting 4-6 points from those 2, as we absolutely should but it is what it is, and our away form in 2017 has been nothing short of disgusting.

However, we will quite easily gain the 13 points from our easier home games in my opinion. We won 3 games in 4 when Allardyce took over beating the poorer sides like Huddersfield and Swansea by 2 clear goals. Still have the likes of West Brom, Brighton, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Southampton to come to Goodison and will grind out some plucky bore draws against the poorer sides away. I reckon we'll finish on about 55 points.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Personally I think it’s down to a few different mistakes.

Firstly Moshiri has come in, he’s signed off our debt, and done plenty of other things behind the scenes. However, he is not a football man, and doesn’t have the experience of being top dog when it comes to a football team. None of the people he’s brought in around him are football men, they are just his trusted mates. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and improves.

Secondly the clubs plan clearly hasn’t worked. Steve Walsh was a man no fan had heard of when we brought him in. His only accolades seemed to be finding Mahrez and Kante, and Alex Ferguson saying nice thinks about him. He worked with a manager who didn’t seem to want him (Koeman) and has been an unmitigated disaster. 3 disasterous windows and a manager later, he is still around and his best mate is our manager, so Walsh is now seemingly untouchable.

Thirdly, we are obviously desperate. We compounded that by bringing in Allardyce and his back room staff who are failed premiership “managers” or one of the least popular figures the club has ever had working for them. Other clubs have clearly picked up on these failures, see what is reportedly going on with the Tosun deal, the Sigurdsson deal and/or price and the Barkley debacle. Clubs and players know they can take us for a ride, because they know in the end we will back down or just pay the money.

We’ve become the little fish in the shark tank, and it’s our own fault.

 

[orly]

Agree with @Moomin that the parallels with QPR are closer than Leeds.

Leeds got to a Champions League semi against a brilliant Valencia side I think. Since our mega spending we've gone out early in Europe and in the cups.

Leeds also had quality players to sell when it went bang for decent amounts but were hamstrung with mental deals (where they were paying wages for players who had moved clubs at least twice after being sold). We, like QPR, now have very little to sell now that Barkley has been driven out and the then-record Lukaku money was wasted.

Add in hopeless recent manager appointments and we are now in the mess we find ourselves trying to get out of by... spending.

 

[Toffeeslam]

Agree with @Moomin that the parallels with QPR are closer than Leeds.

Leeds got to a Champions League semi against a brilliant Valencia side I think. Since our mega spending we've gone out early in Europe and in the cups.

Leeds also had quality players to sell when it went bang for decent amounts but were hamstrung with mental deals (where they were paying wages for players who had moved clubs at least twice after being sold). We, like QPR, now have very little to sell now that Barkley has been driven out and the then-record Lukaku money was wasted.

Add in hopeless recent manager appointments and we are now in the mess we find ourselves trying to get out of by... spending.

I was with you until you said that Barkley was driven out the club........do me a favour.

That monumental bell has decided that the grass is greener else where rather than stay at his boy hood club.

So has driven him out then by lloffering him a new IMPROVED contract ? If my boss offered me a new improved contract then maybe I should leave citing this as been driven out my job

Can’t understand this Ross ‘one of us’ rubbish as he clearly does not share your or my highest regard for the club dispite how bad we are at the minute.

 

[orly]

I was with you until you said that Barkley was driven out the club........do me a favour.

That monumental bell has decided that the grass is greener else where rather than stay at his boy hood club.

So has driven him out then by lloffering him a new IMPROVED contract ? If my boss offered me a new improved contract then maybe I should leave citing this as been driven out my job

Can’t understand this Ross ‘one of us’ rubbish as he clearly does not share your or my highest regard for the club dispite how bad we are at the minute.

I think people calling him things like "monumental bell" essentially fuelled a bad situation.

 

[Khalekan]

We have an awful away record so this idea from some that we were going to go to those 2 places and come away with 2 wins, or a win and a draw was misplaced. I'm not saying we shouldn't be expecting 4-6 points from those 2, as we absolutely should but it is what it is, and our away form in 2017 has been nothing short of disgusting.

However, we will quite easily gain the 13 points from our easier home games in my opinion. We won 3 games in 4 when Allardyce took over beating the poorer sides like Huddersfield and Swansea by 2 clear goals. Still have the likes of West Brom, Brighton, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Southampton to come to Goodison and will grind out some plucky bore draws against the poorer sides away. I reckon we'll finish on about 55 points.

Which is the exact point I am making.

We have what, nine or ten away matches left?

Spurs, Burnley and Arsenal among them.

So how many points can we expect to pick up on our travels in your opinion?

I would say half a dozen if we are lucky.

And as we have seen in our last two always, we are struggling against the poor teams away as well as the good ones.

We also have City, the RS and Leicester to come visiting.

So we will in all probability lose a few of our home games....likely draw a few more, especially against teams battling for their EPL survival.

Yes, I am pretty sure we will get the requisite points to avoid relegation....maybe not even need 40, who knows.

But if anyone thinks we will "easily" take those points they are naive in the extreme, IMO.

 

[Toffeeslam]

I think people calling him things like "monumental bell" essentially fuelled a bad situation.

For a £100k a week call me a bell all you want mate but he obviously can’t take any scrutiny.

Does he think people are going to really nice to him and cuddle him on the terraces at Spurs or where ever if he does not perform ?

If that’s the case he will get found out for being weak mentally and will end up in the lower leagues

 

[Bungle]

Agree with @Moomin that the parallels with QPR are closer than Leeds.

Leeds got to a Champions League semi against a brilliant Valencia side I think. Since our mega spending we've gone out early in Europe and in the cups.

Leeds also had quality players to sell when it went bang for decent amounts but were hamstrung with mental deals (where they were paying wages for players who had moved clubs at least twice after being sold). We, like QPR, now have very little to sell now that Barkley has been driven out and the then-record Lukaku money was wasted.

Add in hopeless recent manager appointments and we are now in the mess we find ourselves trying to get out of by... spending.

Yep fully agree and it would have been a much better comparison, but essentially the point still stands.

Overpaying fees and wages in a desperate attempt to close the gap but both the on and off field management being completely mismanaged. Moshiri needs to take a step back and get some real football brains in a room and work on a plan to fix this before it's too late, he's already done enormous damage to us in a short space of time and it can't be allowed to continue.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Serious questions need to be asked at the AGM. No happy clapping. They need to be held to account.