Pienaar scored 2 goals in his first 40 appearances for us. You’d have slated him to high heaven on here.
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Pienaar scored 2 goals in his first 40 appearances for us. You’d have slated him to high heaven on here.
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My expectations of the team were lower then as we barely spent a penny.
My expectations of a winger were also lower then as we generally played with two strikers under Moyes.
My expectations are higher now because we've spent more than most of the biggest clubs in Europe over successive years.
My expectations of a winger now is much higher as we play with one striker and in those systems, your wide players need to contribute more.
It's off topic so i'll say no more in this thread about it but Bernard is not good enough for a team with top 6 ambitions.
We’re a worse team than we were under Moyes, regardless of how much we’ve spent. Walsh and Koeman spent £200m and assembled one of the worst squads in the league.
Arteta10
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UltraVires
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I think the difference between Baines and Digne is in part due to the difference of where we are at as a club now.
When Baines came in we were good under Moyes but our best seasons were built on winning tight games by the odd goal. In that system, Baines was required to be influential going forward but not at the expense of losing our discipline.
In the current system, Digne has a lot more freedom I think than Baines ever had so a direct comparison isnt really fair on either player.
If i had to say, I would say that Digne is slightly better at the attacking phase of play and Baines is slightly better at the defending phase. Both great players but more importantly the exact type of player we needed in that position at the time they were/are in the team. I also think Digne is vastly underrated and overlooked by all fans/pundits outside our club which I am delighted at too!
When Baines came in we were good under Moyes but our best seasons were built on winning tight games by the odd goal. In that system, Baines was required to be influential going forward but not at the expense of losing our discipline.
In the current system, Digne has a lot more freedom I think than Baines ever had so a direct comparison isnt really fair on either player.
If i had to say, I would say that Digne is slightly better at the attacking phase of play and Baines is slightly better at the defending phase. Both great players but more importantly the exact type of player we needed in that position at the time they were/are in the team. I also think Digne is vastly underrated and overlooked by all fans/pundits outside our club which I am delighted at too!
graeme2911
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Baines was sensational for a few years and I wouldn't have swapped him for anyone in world football during that time. Digne isn't there - yet.
His passing into midfield and upfront was excellent also and helped us boss games at times, which is often massively overlooked because he was so good at everything else offensively.
His passing into midfield and upfront was excellent also and helped us boss games at times, which is often massively overlooked because he was so good at everything else offensively.
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No we didnt
Moyes was almost exclusively 451
Cahill / Fellaini behind 1 striker
Let's not get into semantics but in many games it was Saha and Yakubu up top in Pienaars 1st spell. In others we went 4-5-1 with Cahill or Felli playing as a SS.
In both cases, the point stands that LESS was expected of the wide players in terms of GA contribution than in a typical 4-3-3
I hadn't forgot him, but they've not got to that level yet.
Arteta10
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We very rarely played with 2 up top under Moyes. He used to get slated for it.
I think Pienaar and Bernard are similar players and one thing both did / do very well without receiving a stat to back it up is the pass to create the assist.
Prime example was the winner on Sunday. Bernard lovely pass to Digne who then gets the assist for Richarlison.
Would love to see the amount of times Pienaar played Bainesy in for an assist during his whole time here
dwightschrute
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Premier League Player Stats - Assists
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Baines has most defender assists in PL history put some respect on his name, closest is Graham Le Saux
Premier League Player Stats - Goals
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And 4th most goals as a defender in PL history
(Ashley Young is top on both but has been a winger/forward most of his career so shouldnt be there)
hallamblue
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At fault for their goal yesterday. He's decent but nowhere near peak Baines.
No sure it's his fault for Schneiderlein getting skinned in the space of a postbox.
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