2017/18 Davy Klaassen

kenada_blue · September 23, 2017

nsnojosh said:
Anyone see that lovely first-time ball to Martina midway through the first half? That's what he's capable of but he needs much more than Rooney and Siggy moving about at snail pace beside him.

He's not a playmaker or a second striker, he's a box to box CM which is where he always played for Ajax. He still needs to gel into a constantly-changing team, he's excellent at moving the ball and knitting moves together, but we need to establish a strongest 11 first before he can thrive. It's hard for it to click with any player when they're in a very disorganized side.

Exactly.

And Davies is better in there

CRIMHEAD · September 23, 2017

kenada_blue said:
Exactly.

And Davies is better in there

Again, Davies may be better, but I'm not sure it doesn't have a lot more to do with the players around him.

CRIMHEAD · September 23, 2017

Kane said:
The attackers from the Eredivisie in recent years have really been poor though.

Depay at United.
Jansen at Spurs.
Jozy Altidore at Sunderland.

Altidore? That was like 4 years ago, man.

Rugby Toffee · September 23, 2017

Can't see anything in him , must be a player there somewhere

OnlyBlueWillDo · September 23, 2017

Looking like a total waste of money, and he is 100% a Koeman buy.

mccole · September 23, 2017

How about we take a leaf out of Niasse's and try not to judge him so quickly?

Paul Rideout · September 23, 2017

CRIMHEAD said:
Again, Davies may be better, but I'm not sure it doesn't have a lot more to do with the players around him.

To be fair in a 4-3-3 you can play with 2 box to box midfielders ... but you can't have a number 10 in that same system as 2 of the front 3 should be wide (which is also Sandro' preferred position btw).

At least that's my understanding

OnlyBlueWillDo · September 23, 2017

mccole said:
How about we take a leaf out of Niasse's and try not to judge him so quickly?

He needs to give us something then, because I've seen nothing from him so far.

kenada_blue · September 23, 2017

CRIMHEAD said:
Again, Davies may be better, but I'm not sure it doesn't have a lot more to do with the players around him.

Davies injects more life to the players around him because he's a robust player.

Klassen doesn't do that but is supposed to get better with better players around him? Doesn't everyone?

CRIMHEAD · September 23, 2017

Paul Rideout said:
To be fair in a 4-3-3 you can play with 2 box to box midfielders ... but you can't have a number 10 in that same system as 2 of the front 3 should be wide (which is also Sandro' preferred position btw).

At least that's my understanding

Sure, but notice that Davies wasn't playing in a 4-3-3 today. He was playing in a 4-3-1-2 really. Siggy was the ACM, Niasse and DCL were up front. Davies was getting wider because Martina and then Jonjoe was an outside threat.

To me, even if it's a 4-3-3 and Klaassen is out wide left, he's still not really WIDE. He's still playin gas a somewhat box-to-box player, but he just has NO wide option from Baines. Put Davies out left from the start and I'm not sure he does jack, either.

I also think the 4-3-3 is really a 4-3-2-1 with Rooney/Siggy playing fairly narrow behind DCL. I'm fine with that, but you still have to have some threat to attack wide, and the lack of pace b/t Rooney AND Sigurdsson behind DCL is pretty dramatic.

Papa Shango · September 23, 2017

OnlyBlueWillDo said:
He needs to give us something then, because I've seen nothing from him so far.

He is neat and tidy. I think there is a player in there he just needs to come out of his shell a bit. It probably doesn't help that he knows he will be getting subbed regardless in the second half.

I thought he started fairly well today but then disappeared somewhat. Then again we did play loads o the first half with only 10 men.

Osamabindiesel · September 23, 2017

The two times he played in a team with movement he was alright. Every other game he has been either paired with Rooney or had no pace in the side at all.