David Unsworth appreciation thread

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MorgsGoat said:
People talk of ambition then demand we appoint somebody with no managerial experience.

Proper, proper banter.
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I partly understand this point, but managers have to start somewhere, right?

Nowadays, a snobbery exists towards English and British Managers, who are perennially offered low Prem and Championship jobs and perceived not capable of managing the top 6. This despite 75% of the Champions in the last 40 years being managed by British players. (Robson, Clough, Paisley, Kendall, Dalgliesh, Ferguson, Graham etc), ignoring the success of Venables and Robson etc overseas in the same era.

Aspects of the 80s Europe ban, access/quality of 'cheaper' overseas scouting networks and our own dear old FA picking Sven and Cappello has tarnished what people see as a quality manager, which is a disgrace to the many decent British managers developed here.

Critics might say that doesn't apply to the Prem, but that's despite the success and value demonstrated by Moyes following a similar path (Preston, then us). I rated Moyes, his record is better than Martinez and Koeman, even before you consider the shoe-string he did it on - building with guys the calibre of Unsworth and Ferguson who are now in our mgt structure. The answers are literally there in black and white. Dyche, Howe, Pulis, Allardyce etc etc have all created amazing value, solid footballing teams built in lower divisions, on work ethic, quality and good mgt (with sensible overseas acquisitions, too). Shakespeare also has done a credible job I think most would say. All those guys would be green with envy at the quality they would have had to work with at Everton.

I think it is a crime that we devalue our own players and mgt in this way. Right now you could pick a British Everton XI better way better than what was on show vs Atalanta, Chelsea and Man Utd (who sat back after scoring early). So why not the manager, too?

I'm not saying sack RK now or in the future. But in a season or two more max, if our perception is the Championship is 'not good enough', we have to be realistic that Managers may see the best route to Premier league coming through the youth systems of larger clubs.

I don't see that as wholly necessary, but think certain people just 'get' certain clubs. Unsworth and Big Dunc get us and we shouldn't rule out what they can 'learn' from RK, not least how to spank 150m and plan a paceless bunch of identikit midfielders. Most fans on here would not do that!

Other great managers who started out as assistants:

Joachim Low - World cup winner
Jose Mourinho - 3 times champions league winner, can't remember how mnay other cups and titles
Paisley/Fagan - (truth hurts)
Walter Smith - Rangers (and kept us up)
Roberto Di Matteo - CL winner, Chelsea
Aime Jacquet - France WC winner 98
 
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People saying he needs to go elsewere to get experience before we consider him as koemans succesor.
Guardiola had 1 season as Barca B manager before he took the big job there.
Now i am not comparing the 2 at all but it shows, experience isnt necesarily the most important thing.
Sometimes that experience can lead you to more cautiousness, take less risks, go stale etc. (look at moyes).
We all know RonKo is unlikely to be here past his 3 year contract, so i would put the wheels in motion for him to succeed him
 
BillLovesRoo said:
People saying he needs to go elsewere to get experience before we consider him as koemans succesor.
Guardiola had 1 season as Barca B manager before he took the big job there.
Now i am not comparing the 2 at all but it shows, experience isnt necesarily the most important thing.
Sometimes that experience can lead you to more cautiousness, take less risks, go stale etc. (look at moyes).
We all know RonKo is unlikely to be here past his 3 year contract, so i would put the wheels in motion for him to succeed him
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When was it last done in the prem mate? Someone with no managerial experience being given the top job and doing well? Recall Gareth Southgate doing OK at Middlesborough, before eventually getting relegated. Has it happened at a club of stature in recent times?

Don't actually mind the idea of Unsworth in charge but you would have to see it for what it is - a major gamble that is well out of line with usual practice.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
When was it last done in the prem mate? Someone with no managerial experience being given the top job and doing well? Recall Gareth Southgate doing OK at Middlesborough, before eventually getting relegated. Has it happened at a club of stature in recent times?

Don't actually mind the idea of Unsworth in charge but you would have to see it for what it is - a major gamble that is well out of line with usual practice.
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To a lesser extent i would say shakespeare at leicester has got them back to a decent side again. There is obviously the times that didnt work to e.g Sherwood at spurs.

But just because alot of the teams dont do it dosent mean it isnt worth a try, why should we just copy suit on what everyone else does?
It could be our niche selling point, in an age of "corporate clubs" and the likes of liverpool just being a way of FSG to make money, we could run with the community club thing.
Unsworth has done a great job in making sure the under 23s understand the need to give back and to plenty for EITC, it would be worth giving that a try with the first team.
If it fails, it fails. At the moment Koeman says we cant get higher than 7th and Koeman was probably the best manager we could of got. So why not try something different?
 
It's a tricky one for Unsy. If Koeman stays to the end of his contract then we will likely line up a " top class experienced manager" whoever that may be. If he chooses to move to a Championship club it's likely to be one who have sacked their manager and are in a bit of trouble, making it difficult to succeed. Classic example was Warren Joyce who lead Man U u21s to two PL u21 league titles before Unsy won the U23s. He went to Wigan in the November and was sacked 5 months later , Wigan were subsequently relegated. Sadly his best opportunity is likely to come if in any season we really disintegrate by about March , sack RK and giving Unsy enough time to pull us out of the mire, a scenario which hopefully never arises.
 
MorgsGoat said:
Liverpool are currently 8 points clear of the U23 league.

Now imagine if they win it this season and Plopp gets sacked at the end of the season, imagine how much we would all laugh if they appointed Neil Critchley.

lollollol
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It just doesn't add up does it lol lol lol lol
 
BillLovesRoo said:
To a lesser extent i would say shakespeare at leicester has got them back to a decent side again. There is obviously the times that didnt work to e.g Sherwood at spurs.

But just because alot of the teams dont do it dosent mean it isnt worth a try, why should we just copy suit on what everyone else does?
It could be our niche selling point, in an age of "corporate clubs" and the likes of liverpool just being a way of FSG to make money, we could run with the community club thing.
Unsworth has done a great job in making sure the under 23s understand the need to give back and to plenty for EITC, it would be worth giving that a try with the first team.
If it fails, it fails. At the moment Koeman says we cant get higher than 7th and Koeman was probably the best manager we could of got. So why not try something different?
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Can't compare rhino with Sherwood, as rhino does not have a walnut for a brain
 
BillLovesRoo said:
To a lesser extent i would say shakespeare at leicester has got them back to a decent side again. There is obviously the times that didnt work to e.g Sherwood at spurs.

But just because alot of the teams dont do it dosent mean it isnt worth a try, why should we just copy suit on what everyone else does?
It could be our niche selling point, in an age of "corporate clubs" and the likes of liverpool just being a way of FSG to make money, we could run with the community club thing.
Unsworth has done a great job in making sure the under 23s understand the need to give back and to plenty for EITC, it would be worth giving that a try with the first team.
If it fails, it fails. At the moment Koeman says we cant get higher than 7th and Koeman was probably the best manager we could of got. So why not try something different?
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Shakespeare has done reasonably well at Leicester but if you ask me it's much ado about nothing, but hey all's well that end's well.
 
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